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	<title>Comments on: Hooters: Not A Fair Place to Speak Geek</title>
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		<title>By: Yerel Seçimler</title>
		<link>http://www.molly.com/2008/06/16/hooters-not-a-fair-place-to-speak-geek/comment-page-2/#comment-2227614</link>
		<dc:creator>Yerel Seçimler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would take it as them saying they don’t want anyone to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take it as them saying they don’t want anyone to go.</p>
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		<title>By: tv izle</title>
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		<dc:creator>tv izle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Kaitlyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaitlyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As A hooters girl, the geek meet is probably most likely to get computer guys shy guys who don&#039;t talk to girls ever.. to come in ,, If your surrounded by people you relate too then you&#039;ll feel comfortable. Geek week might not be what hooters has labeled it as, that could be the community itself or the geeks has labeled it.. We also have are you smarter than a hooters girl.. thats kind of geared towards were dumb .. but we take no offense it&#039;s trivia and it&#039;s fun! hooters is not like oo come in look at the girls .. not all of them have boobs and there rules on wearing the uniform, no cheeks hanging out.. your stomach is covered and theres space rules between you and the customer .. people come to hooters to see the girls, were friendly we are sort of like therapist&#039;s with out degrees were just here to listen thats all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As A hooters girl, the geek meet is probably most likely to get computer guys shy guys who don&#8217;t talk to girls ever.. to come in ,, If your surrounded by people you relate too then you&#8217;ll feel comfortable. Geek week might not be what hooters has labeled it as, that could be the community itself or the geeks has labeled it.. We also have are you smarter than a hooters girl.. thats kind of geared towards were dumb .. but we take no offense it&#8217;s trivia and it&#8217;s fun! hooters is not like oo come in look at the girls .. not all of them have boobs and there rules on wearing the uniform, no cheeks hanging out.. your stomach is covered and theres space rules between you and the customer .. people come to hooters to see the girls, were friendly we are sort of like therapist&#8217;s with out degrees were just here to listen thats all!</p>
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		<title>By: Arbre Noir Traveller Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adam Craft And Par Grindvik-Catch Me / NAND-grind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arbre Noir Traveller Free &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adam Craft And Par Grindvik-Catch Me / NAND-grind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really a suitable place for a Geek Meet-up (I&#039;m glad the organisers woke-up and changed the venue!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really a suitable place for a Geek Meet-up (I&#8217;m glad the organisers woke-up and changed the venue!)</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on another note: do all &#039;networking&#039; events need to take place at a bar or club? I like to have a pint of beer now and again, however I have known more than a few folks struggling with alcoholism that are left out of the networking game. Nevermind those of us that simply think trying to discuss current trends in web development while shouting over the latest bump-and-grind tune is a fruitless effort. Maybe they are better suited to carry the title &#039;mixer&#039;. Pun intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on another note: do all &#8216;networking&#8217; events need to take place at a bar or club? I like to have a pint of beer now and again, however I have known more than a few folks struggling with alcoholism that are left out of the networking game. Nevermind those of us that simply think trying to discuss current trends in web development while shouting over the latest bump-and-grind tune is a fruitless effort. Maybe they are better suited to carry the title &#8216;mixer&#8217;. Pun intended.</p>
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		<title>By: roberto</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, the waitresses are nice to look at and they&#039;re all flashy, but how accessible are they really? How do they rank in usability? How standards compliant are they?

On the other hand, maybe the women can use this to ask for a male stripper in the next meeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, the waitresses are nice to look at and they&#8217;re all flashy, but how accessible are they really? How do they rank in usability? How standards compliant are they?</p>
<p>On the other hand, maybe the women can use this to ask for a male stripper in the next meeting.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Jackson Wilkinson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see that reason prevailed and the venue was changed.  I&#039;m the first to call someone out when I think they&#039;re overreacting to things like this, but I&#039;m with you on this one, Molly.  I&#039;d be a bit uncomfortable going to Hooters, and I&#039;m a straight man, so I can&#039;t imagine why a woman would show up to meet men she didn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see that reason prevailed and the venue was changed.  I&#8217;m the first to call someone out when I think they&#8217;re overreacting to things like this, but I&#8217;m with you on this one, Molly.  I&#8217;d be a bit uncomfortable going to Hooters, and I&#8217;m a straight man, so I can&#8217;t imagine why a woman would show up to meet men she didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to laugh when I saw that - it makes me think of the &quot;Old Boys&#039; Network&quot; that is so prevalent in the legal field.

@David: I think that&#039;s a completely different issue.  A sporting event&#039;s primary purpose is not to have men in a subservient position in tight, revealing outfits.  (Also, basketball uniforms are not that revealing, unless you consider shoulders scandalous.)

(I didn&#039;t consider myself a feminist until I became a paralegal.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to laugh when I saw that &#8211; it makes me think of the &#8220;Old Boys&#8217; Network&#8221; that is so prevalent in the legal field.</p>
<p>@David: I think that&#8217;s a completely different issue.  A sporting event&#8217;s primary purpose is not to have men in a subservient position in tight, revealing outfits.  (Also, basketball uniforms are not that revealing, unless you consider shoulders scandalous.)</p>
<p>(I didn&#8217;t consider myself a feminist until I became a paralegal.)</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thrilled to see there&#039;s been a change in location.  Congrats to the group for making a good decision and congrats to Molly for bringing this up.  

For our local meetups we usually head to a licensed coffee shop.  So far, so good. Lots of variety on the menu and we can still hear each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thrilled to see there&#8217;s been a change in location.  Congrats to the group for making a good decision and congrats to Molly for bringing this up.  </p>
<p>For our local meetups we usually head to a licensed coffee shop.  So far, so good. Lots of variety on the menu and we can still hear each other.</p>
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<h2>Monday  16 June 2008</h2><h3 class="entryhead" id="post-814"><a href="http://www.molly.com/2008/06/16/hooters-not-a-fair-place-to-speak-geek/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Hooters: Not A Fair Place to Speak Geek">Hooters: Not A Fair Place to Speak Geek</a></h3>

<p>I just was informed by a friend that there&#8217;s a &#8220;Geek Meet&#8221; in Tucson this week, to be held at the local <a href="http://www.hooters.com/">Hooters</a>. For those unfamiliar Hooters is a restaurant that is clearly geared toward men, with women in little shorts and tight tiny tops serving up hot wings and chicken fingers.</p>
<p>Now I like attractive, sexy people as much as the next person, but c&#8217;mon. Isn&#8217;t this just a little way to send a message to women that they aren&#8217;t welcome unless they are there to shake and serve?</p>
<p>I have NO problem with the existence of Hooters, or women with fabulous breasts, or people who want to enjoy that. I DO have a problem with the message this kind of event sends, whether it was intended as such or not.</p>
<p style="font-size: x-small; font-weight: bold;">(Update: The organizers have changed the venue and have explicitly stated they DO want more women to join in the conversation. Thank you for that, my friends).</p>
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			Thursday  19 June 2008 at 16:02</a>		</div>

		<p>And on another note: do all &#8216;networking&#8217; events need to take place at a bar or club? I like to have a pint of beer now and again, however I have known more than a few folks struggling with alcoholism that are left out of the networking game. Nevermind those of us that simply think trying to discuss current trends in web development while shouting over the latest bump-and-grind tune is a fruitless effort. Maybe they are better suited to carry the title &#8216;mixer&#8217;. Pun intended.</p>

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		<p>Not really a suitable place for a Geek Meet-up (I&#8217;m glad the organisers woke-up and changed the venue!)</p>

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			Thursday  2 October 2008 at 06:04</a>		</div>

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			Thursday  16 October 2008 at 10:11</a>		</div>

		<p>As A hooters girl, the geek meet is probably most likely to get computer guys shy guys who don&#8217;t talk to girls ever.. to come in ,, If your surrounded by people you relate too then you&#8217;ll feel comfortable. Geek week might not be what hooters has labeled it as, that could be the community itself or the geeks has labeled it.. We also have are you smarter than a hooters girl.. thats kind of geared towards were dumb .. but we take no offense it&#8217;s trivia and it&#8217;s fun! hooters is not like oo come in look at the girls .. not all of them have boobs and there rules on wearing the uniform, no cheeks hanging out.. your stomach is covered and theres space rules between you and the customer .. people come to hooters to see the girls, were friendly we are sort of like therapist&#8217;s with out degrees were just here to listen thats all!</p>

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			Tuesday  28 October 2008 at 13:09</a>		</div>

		<p>thanks</p>

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		<p>I would take it as them saying they don’t want anyone to go.</p>

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