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Tuesday 25 October 2005

Comment Addiction and Blog Post Quality

PEOPLE ONLY LOVE ME WHEN I’M FUNNY. Either that or very geeky. Or when I combine the two. But spill my heart or start to cry and it’s apparently about as yummy as toxic waste.

Either that, or my server was down too long yesterday and only two comments arrived in 24 hours in response to my Of Pride and Sorrow post, which I felt was, well, very heartfelt.

Nevertheless, it got me thinking that I now measure the worth of my blog posts by how many comments they get. This probably isn’t a good idea, since some of the best things I’ve written have gone unsung, and some of the worst things have gotten lots of attention. Conclusion? You just can’t predict people’s responses, and sometimes it’s the emotional stuff they do respond to but don’t post a response to since they don’t wish to or know how to articulate their feelings in a forum such as a blog.

Have I become a comment addict? If I don’t see at least five comments and at best 50 per post, I suffer from withdrawals. I’ve a highly addictive personality as it is and I don’t need any more things to be addicted to, thank you very much. But aside from the comment addiction, the issue of allowing the quantity or even quality of commentary to drive my content is at core a repugnant thought.

After all, certain blogs occupy a different space than the professional Web site or corporate blog. I use my blog as a means of self-expression, which of course includes funny stuff, geeky stuff, sad stuff, mean stuff, and just general Molly stuff.

I’m pondering this state of affairs and would enjoy your thoughts. I love comment love, this is why I have comments on my blog. Do I compromise my self-expression in order to get more of it, or would that just be an addict’s behavior? If you see certain trends from your blog readership, do you or would you be more precise in addressing what your audience likes just to get the comment love?

And yes, for the record: I’m wondering how many comments this post will get.

Filed under:   humor, blogging
Posted by:   Molly | 3:06 am |

109 Responses to “Comment Addiction and Blog Post Quality”

  1. Michael Heilemann Says:

    While I’ve found myself ‘needing’ comments to verify the quality of what I post on my blog, I’ve grown more attached to what I write than what other people write. Call it a thicker skin if you will…

  2. Stuart Says:

    In blogging it’s easy to associate the number of comments with perceived popularity. The question is; what’s more important to you? Being loved or blogging about stuff that means something to you?

  3. Robert Nyman Says:

    First, I think Stuart makes a good point. Would you want to sell out, if it came to that, just to get (more) comments?

    I’ve been going through the same thoughts you have (as I believe many bloggers have); you write this post you think is dazzling, spilling your guts, and then no one comments.

    If Stuart’s way of thinking doesn’t help you, maybe you can find comfort in your stats and see that the post in question gets as many reads as, or more, than the posts that get a lot of comments.

  4. Maaike Says:

    I read the Pride and Sorrow post and thought it interesting, but I didn’t have anything worthwile to say about it, so I didn’t comment. I guess in some situations stats tell you more about people’s appreciation of a post than the number of comments.

  5. Martin Smales Says:

    Just be lucky to get at least one comment that many of us mini-bloggers fail to get.

    I think controversy sells, bad news too, and The Ultimate Truth as well. Oh, if you are already well-known to the world over, posting a single word may get you many comments, you never know! :)

  6. Chris Heilmann Says:

    It is also a matter of where people comment. I realised more and more the phenomenon of “remote scripting”, where I found that one of my posts had measly 3 comments on my site, but about 20 on Roger’s (456berea).
    I think it is up to us to actually make sure that comments are off when we simply blog about another blog entry and tell people to comment there.

    Another issue is of course the time and topic. At work I am happy to comment on technical matters, but personal posts I keep for my home time. At home, I do have less time, as I already had a 8 hour day + 2 hours commuting.

    Personally I tend to keep my blog a lot cleaner / techie than I used to. A lot of older fun posts like the one about the “slap your co-worker day” and “iflea” get a lot of hits that are more or less useless for me. Focusing helps people find you and give better comments, I think. There is a lot of noise out there…

  7. draco Says:

    Maaike : Ditto.

    (most people would have addressed the kind of comments i’ll like to post, and thus i no longer have the need to do so.. and if i do, it’ll be something like this one..)

  8. Ian Lloyd Says:

    Yeah, too slushy, Molly. So I won’t be commenting on this post.

  9. Ian Lloyd Says:

    Doh!

  10. The Ferrett Says:

    The Compleat Guide to [Blogging] Stardom and Fame, Part 2: Whoring for Comments.

    In it, you will find an explanation of why people didn’t comment as much as you might think.

    Yes, I spend way too much time thinking about this.

  11. Ian Lloyd Says:

    Oh crap, I’ve just added two. Someone had better pull me away from this comput …

  12. JJS Says:

    Time for my daily good deed, this is embarrassing but … I love you!
    Feel better?
    A newbie in blog reading myself, I understand that one might keep a blog for many reasons ranging somewhere in between altruism and egoism, and/or wiseness and stupidity, whatever the polarity, or just to be part of a game.
    In a black and white world, nothing is completely black or white as nothing would otherwise be intelligible.
    As for myself, it is OK if you think that you happen to count comments as a mean of measuring your audience/popularity/adoration/worship/recognition, etc. as it is OK as well if some post is to induce fewer comments than expected.
    So just keep on blogging as many (for sure) will still be curious of what you need to say, even without daring a comment which might be frustrating.
    Like others said (or sort of), nobody is required to have an opinion on every topic.
    Regarding your repulsion about the fact that quantity/quality of commentary would drive your blog, this could actually be the case. However, you are not required either to exercise such a self-control as to cause your creativity to dry up :)
    Your stuff is appreciated as-is.
    Just play with us!
    JJS.

  13. Stewart Johnson Says:

    Hi Molly –

    Perhaps it’s time to take a step back? Are comments on your blog really *that* important?

    If your doctor says to you tomorrow “you’ve got 2 months to live” — will blog comments be as important to you then?

    Tomorrow you meet someone you admire and respect, you’re deep in conversation — will you be talking about how proud you are that you get 50 comments per post?

    You’re sitting with your granddaughter on your knee, and you can tell her anything about all the things you’ve done in your life — will you be mentioning how quickly commented on your blog?

    I’m not trying to down the whole blog thing, just trying to help with the perspective.

    :)

  14. fl0 Says:

    Molly, here is another comment, just to make you feel better :-)

  15. Michael Ward Says:

    It’s a good job you’re not a reporter - you’d get depressed when someone says “no comment!”.

    Don’t worry about it. If people are still coming back to your blog then, whether or not they comment, you have something they believe is worth reading.

  16. Colly Says:

    Oh, it’s half past four. Time for my afternoon cup of tea. Hmm. Wonder what’s for dinner tonight. Hope there’s a good film on…

    See, that thought could’ve just been mine, but now it’s yours, Molly. Here’s to high comment counts.

  17. Jo-Pete Nelson Says:

    I’m torn between commenting and not… It’s a lose-lose situation here, so I might as well. As for comments reflecting the quality of the post, let me point you to: The dullest blog. In his hey-day, he got almost 1,000 comments on a single entry. My personal record is probably about 7 for one entry, and that was only because my brother lost access to his email account and was using that entry as a forum to tell the rest of my family what he was up to. If you’re writing only to elicit response, then I don’t know why I’m reading…

  18. Geof F. Morris Says:

    Makes me wonder some more about what defines noteworthiness. I hear you on the desire for comments, Molly.

  19. Dan Guy Says:

    My very best posts get no comments. My second best get lots. I think people are intimidated by greatness.

  20. Steve Ganz Says:

    Sometimes the post says it all.

  21. jason velocity Says:

    Often times I read a great post, but have nothing to add. Maybe we need to add a button for “I read your post”.

  22. Shelley Says:

    People need hooks in a writing in order to respond, and many times the more thoughtful pieces don’t have the ‘hooks’ but are appreciated. Or at least, I tell myself this.

    You are getting comments though on your other works; lately I’m losing comments across the board. I think sometimes we become too familiar to our readers and a break is needed.

    Your writing is lovely, Molly. Never worry about us in the gallery — we’re fickle and tough to please too often.

  23. Dustin Diaz Says:

    Molly, I had the same thoughts on ‘where-T-F’ did all the comments go. I experience the same when I write something that in my own eyes was endearing or would get a good laugh but I get jack squat. On the same token it takes a break-thru of a script to get people to notice something…

    Is it us? I’m actually starting to think so. Why? Because Mike will talk about his freaking razor blade and get 78 comments, or his trip to Safeway and some hoopla about a membership card and get 51 comments.

    The world of commenters confuses the hell out of me.

    Remember back when Veerle posted something to the likes of “Won’t you comment” - Look what happened there:
    http://veerle.duoh.com/comments.php?id=287_0_2_10_C1

    On the contrary to it all, many comments have got out of hand when you see stuff like ‘nice post. thanks for sharing’ - those are the ones coming to snatch some linkage without giving a damn about what you wrote. and then there’s others…oh wait, didn’t someone write an entry on blog commenting ettiquette? se la vi.

    Anyway, keep writing. There will be up days AND down days. Pick up your cross and keep going.

  24. Dustin Diaz Says:

    And hey, what do you know. You received a new trackback on your last post! (by you, lol). Ok, not time to tell jokes.
    I mainly just wanted to fix that link to Veerle’s site.
    http://veerle.duoh.com/comments.php?id=
    287_0_2_10_C1 (those should all have under_scores

  25. Cameron Moll Says:

    If I could choose between traveling all over the world as frequently as you do vs. high comments counts, I’d go for the first any day.

    My 2c in regards to your closing questions: Don’t change a thing. I’ll continue to listen/respond/link/be inspired as is.

  26. Roger Johansson Says:

    I find that writing comments on my own posts helps keep the conversation going. I’ve noticed that you rarely do that - maybe it’s worth trying ;-) .

  27. Malarkey Says:

    I wonder if this feeling grows the more comments you get. I mean, I wonder if Hard Man Dan feels glum when he only gets 350 comments in the first hour of posting? ;)

  28. Chris Heilmann Says:

    To say it with Mark Twain:

    “It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.”

  29. Jennifer Says:

    Concerning your interest in where the comments went from “On Pride and Sorrow,” a few of my own comments:

    A) Yes, your server was down too long yesterday. I look at your site about twice/week and sometimes, like today, I read two or more of your posts back-to-back. If you would like comments, give us a chance to read and absorb.
    B) If you want comments, know your audience. If you want to share what’s on your mind, then be comfortable without comments.
    C) In this day and age, people are so sensitive about world events from both sides of the aisle (and oceans) that writing in to a friendly blog such as this with any political views (radical or otherwise) may seem high-handed. So the options are to either agree with your views (which you stated beautifully, so no further comment is necessary), or to disagree with you (which could start a brawl – though an entertaining option).

    For myself, I see your pages as a space to learn about the techie stuff in my life. The personal things you wish to share are a nice way for some of us to know that we are not reading the musings of a robot. People are obviously reading your blog, Molly, so don’t sweat it. As for me, I think that words per comment is the gauge of a good response (can you tell?).

  30. lr Says:

    Perhaps it’s just that people are far more likely to comment in the spur-of-the-moment atmosphere of a funny post (the virtual equivalent of laughing out loud), while the more somber require more subjective and serious thought?

    I’d give those at least a week or more to gather comments. Perchance a lack thereof is a *good* thing. It could mean you’ve made someone think.

  31. Kevin Yank Says:

    The unfortunate tendency to gauge one’s writing by the comments it receives reminds me of a similar tendency in a hobby of mine–improv comedy.

    As an improviser onstage, hearing continuous waves of laughter coming from the audience is a comforting thing. It’s very easy to fall prey to the instinct to “go for the laugh”. But an audience can only laugh continuously for about ten minutes before exhaustion sets in. The show becomes very “one note”, and you have to work harder and harder to get those laughs.

    Cheap laughs also tend to come at the expense of your fellow players and any real narrative in a scene. Keep it up, and pretty soon no one will want to improvise with you.

    Just because the audience is silent doesn’t mean they’re not engrossed. Some of the best improv scenes I’ve witnessed have been full of gut-wrenching pathos, moral dilemma, and tense drama. As a rule, these things incite stony silence from your audience. But it’s a razor-edged silence that–if you’re aware of it–can be so much more rewarding than a cheap laugh.

    A really good improv show has a mixture of the two. Gripping drama occasionally broken by moments of comedy gold. By resisting the urge to “go for the laugh”, you can create more involving characters and stories, which at the end of the day can actually support even bigger laughs.

    I leave it to you to draw the parallels.

  32. Matt Robin Says:

    Any blog site that can use the words ‘web standards’ and ’self-masturbatory’ in the same article is going to pull in plenty of comments.

    Just add the words ‘Microsoft’ and ‘Explorer’…and whoosh: a deluge of posts (not necessarily all of quality though!)

    Personal posts are harder for wider audiences to relate to (at least on the same level or sentiment as the author is feeling). So it doesn’t surprise me that those articles draw a lower turnout.

    So here I am…commenting - satisfying one of your addictions! :)

  33. Lucian Says:

    Bloggers are all exhibitionists to various degrees. Nobody wants to be an exhibitionist that no one watches. Comments and site traffic tell us how much attention we garner.

    Oh btw, some of us spend a lot of time crafting out witty comments to pull readers from high-traffic blogs to our own.

  34. Marc Says:

    If I based the quality of my writing on the amount of comments I got (mainly on my old site: http://www.vinimal.com) I’d never write again.

    Even I know I lack in quality, but I’m gaining skill and experience with every press of the Publish button…

  35. Ben Gray Says:

    I’m definitely a comment addict. I sometimes feel torn in my blogging. On the one hand I enjoy blogging for its own sake. On the other hand I do want to put something out there that people will like to read. I feel with you on this one, Molly.

  36. Peter Firminger Says:

    While I don’t have a blog as such, I’m often amazed at the silence that follows one of my (probably unpopular) thoughts posted on the Web Standards Group list.

    Is this because I’m seen as a “list-grump”? Maybe… comes with the territory I guess.

    Because what I said was irrefutable? Probably not (I generally expect and would like to see spirited debate on these topics).

    Sometimes Molly, I guess there just isn’t anything to add, especially when exposing one’s heart.

    Px

  37. John Beale Says:

    Hi Molly … I think if you have soo many comments its meam that you a interesting person, people like u =)

    p.s. and this is another comment, just to make you feel good =)

  38. Sally Carson Says:

    Hi Molly, I can say that I read your previous post “Of Pride and Sorrow” and did not comment, I guess because you had stated something so beautifully, I didn’t feel that I could or should contribute anything to it. It was the equivalent of a moment of silence.

    There is no emoticon for reverence, so it’s hard to communicate it online, but that’s what I was feeling. Um, and just for the record, I’m glad there’s no emoticon for reverence, it just wouldn’t work.

  39. Jem Says:

    I think it’s pretty much a given that humour and geekiness will get more comments because that seems to be the kind of ‘audience’ your blog attracts. That, and it’s always easier to agree on a code related point (for example) than it is to come up with a wise or heart-warming comment on a personal post.

    I personally avoid personal posts like the plague because I know that even if I read them four, five times.. I’ll make an assumption or say something way out of line and put my foot in it.

  40. Chris Fehnel Says:

    I had a similar thought recently.

    I, also, find it very odd that sometimes the topics you think are the most thought-provoking and heartfelt turn out to be the least “popular” in regards to comments. Then other times you will see a topic catch fire and turn into a comment hot bed.

  41. kartooner Says:

    I suppose you could measure the success of a particular post by the amount of comments it receives, but typically this isn’t always the case.

    I’ve found there are more lurkers than commenters for any given post. Thus, if someone feels the need to comment, they will, and if not, they’ll either skim the article (if they’re semi-interested) or read it in it’s entirety.

    Honestly, when I receive one comment other than my own I figure that post maintains the aura of quality that I try to convey.

  42. Sam Hasler Says:

    Why not have an Amazon style rating system (AJAX so they don’t have to wait for a page refresh). Making it independent of comments would allow people who otherwise wouldn’t comment to still give you feedback on how interesting they found the post. It also means you could have feedback on a post even if you have to disable comments for any reason.

    You could allow rating by more than one criteria, e.g. if it’s an opinion piece you could allow people to rate how much they agreed with you. Interest and agreement should be separate, a post can be interesting even if you don’t agree with it but if there’s only one metric you’re more likely to mark it down.

    Then you have two extra things per rating criteria to judge your posts on: the average rating, and the number of people that bothered to rate it. Even if many people rate disagreement with a post that’s not necessarily a bad thing, at least it’s making people think and stirring up discussion, although you’d probably see that in the posts too.

    To make rating posts useful you your readers, and thus encourage them to use it more, you could allow them list posts in order of their interest in them (provided you can find a way to track that which isn’t too cumbersome on the readers). That might garner more positive feedback than you’d get otherwise as people are more likely to give negative feedback if they aren’t getting something out of it.

  43. Glen C. Says:

    Everyone’s doing it.

  44. nortypig Says:

    I average about a comment for every twenty posts - man I must be dangerously bad at writing lol…

    Keep the diversity, do it for yourself and not others expetations and you won’t get sick of it. Keep it pure molly.

    cheers… nortypig

  45. Susan Says:

    I also crave responses to the things I write, which is why I rarely leave comments on anyone’s blog. If the blogger doesn’t respond to what I say, I’ll never know if he/she found my words interesting.

  46. Dustin Diaz Says:

    So now that there’s quite the amount of comments rolling in, What about “Author Comment Feedback” quality?

  47. Keri Henare Says:

    We always love you Molly. We just don’t always have something relevant say.

  48. Peter B Says:

    I think my time living in Finland taught me that I really don’t care how many replies I get, but what the quality of the replies I get are.

    That said, no one ever comments on my blog. I watch the traffic patterns and know that people read through it, but they don’t post. Maybe because I require registration, maybe because they’re lazy.

    I write for two reasons. The primary is to express myself. The second is to throttle down the number of dumb questions I’d have to answer from my friends and family who live far away.

  49. John_B Says:

    Well, Molly u a funny so people tell u and u always smile even if u a sad on the inside u try to look at things from the good point of view

  50. Davezilla Says:

    50!

  51. Davezilla Says:

    You can never tell why a post will get comments.

    I’ve noticed that the posts I labour over the most go flat and unnoticed. The stupid boob joke I’ll knock off in a minute ’cause I hadn’t thought up a good post gets 90 comments.

  52. sadi Says:

    safe molly

  53. JohnnyLab Says:

    WOW! I have to say I am in a constant catching up mode with my reading blogs. I left a comment on your Of Pride and Sorrow post a few days ago. Now I come across this. It is odd that a post about lack of comments generated so many comments. Especially from many a guru.

    The truth is I usually don’t leave too many comments. But your post here has changed my point of view. I have been following you writing since Web Techniques back in the day. You have always good stuff to say. So keep writing on writing…

  54. Dan Says:

    I have to say that the number of comments I get is miniscule. When I first started blogging, I read others blogs and commented vociferously. Now, when I start to write a comment, I tend to run out of steam more often than not. So, now I measure my blog’s success by number of views, not by number of comments. I do like the rating mechanism someone mentioned above, though.

  55. Ara Pehlivanian Says:

    Personally, I get discouraged when a post has 50+ comments and it keeps me from commenting myself because I wonder if it’ll even be read. Luckily, I don’t have that problem on my site ;-) or should that be :-(

  56. Dave Munger Says:

    Ara:

    Don’t worry, *I* read your comment, and found it quite perceptive indeed. I’ve found that comments are usually quite cogent until they reach the 100 mark. Not that that’s ever happened *my* blog….

  57. Lori Says:

    Yes, tell your audience what it wants to hear, and bask in the warm ocean of comments. Mention Flock and Web 2.0 a lot. You are getting sleepy… On second thought, why bother? Blogging is a personal thing, even if you are a professional. The reason why the comments mean so much is because the content is true. I enjoy your content very much, and would like to take this opportunity to say thank you, while simultaneously feeding your comment jones :)

  58. Frode Danielsen Says:

    My eyes are too sore today for reading all 57 comments so far, but I’ve read a few… I second Roger Johanssons suggestion, and it’s funny that his blog is the one I’ve commented on the most lately.

    Just as much as you have a need of getting response to your thoughts and feelings, commenters may feel more inclined to share their thoughts on the subject if they see you respond - blogs have grown to more of a conversation. Did you read my thoughts on this?

    I also agree with Shelley. You see this post? It probably gets a lot of posts because you ask a more direct question, and I would dare say on some level people will feel a need to “justify” why they haven’t commented a lot on your posts.

    Sometimes you need time to reflect on posts about feelings and personal thoughts. This, I think, is one of the main reasons deeper posts don’t get that many comments.

  59. Abdelrahman Osama Says:

    I got average 140 visitors per day and I rarely got a comment, maybe most of readers are still readers only.

    I bet you got alot more visitors than me.

  60. Ben Buchanan Says:

    I suspect most people who write online have the fear that a) nobody reads, or b) plenty of people read but nobody likes. But we have to face that fear if we presume to start writing in the first place… otherwise we should ban all IPs ;)

    Much as we like to think we’re above it, we all like high comment counts and we secretly worry that people don’t like us if we haven’t been added to their blogroll… i link to Derek’s post about blogroll malaise to remind myself it’s not so important ;)

    I also see some of this as a downside of the web 2.0 experience. People are reading our content without our designs and often without our site controls. They are that much less likely to comment if they have get out of their aggregator, etc etc…

    I’ve actually pondered whether we need a link type for comments. rel="response" perhaps.

    Roger’s point is a good one - I actually think the continued discussion is what makes site like LiveJournal so successful. The conversation flows on, since you pretty much subscribe to that comment thread. You get email notifications when someone replies to your comment and so on. Few blogs offer the same functionality since they see themselves as sites rather than social networks.

    I think I’m turning your comments page into a blog post ;) oops…

  61. Kim Siever Says:

    Five comments? Must be nice.

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  64. Martin Sandry Says:

    Molly,`

    I agree with Kim Siever.

    A colleague and I started a blog early this year. We offer to answer questions and to share our thoughts on psychological matters (we are both clinical psychologists), and we are reaching out to help people in recovery from addictions of any kind (including to comments), and especially to those who are following the recovery program in our books.

    The only comments we’ve gotten, though, are from robots who crawl botland in order to plant links to their sites. Their “comments” are not at all comments. They are all similar, something like, “Your blog is real good. Take a look at mine to see how to get cheap cabbage.” Totally non-responsive to any of our content. So I elected to use a Blogger feature which requires anyone who wants to comment to type five random letters which appear on the screen. This almost guarantees that there is a real human being making the comment. I figure that the robotic responses must be a big problem. Why else would the folks at Blogger offer a solution to it?! But since tturning this feature on, ZERO comments. Verrry frustrating!

    Of course, it may be tied for the least interesting blog on record.

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