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		<title>By: 婚紗攝影</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information. I like it too.</description>
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		<description>Very good. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: kolbastı</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reall thanks for this kind of infos</description>
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		<title>By: evden eve nakliye</title>
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		<dc:creator>evden eve nakliye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the real kicker here is that they’ll probably make a couple thousand bucks on this scam.

They ought to earn something for entertaining us so much!

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the real kicker here is that they’ll probably make a couple thousand bucks on this scam.</p>
<p>They ought to earn something for entertaining us so much!</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<description>I think everyone lives problem when they look at this site with ie 8.0. Shortly, ur comments say us correct ones.</description>
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		<title>By: amasra</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks</description>
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		<title>By: zrmbilisim katkıları ile 2009 seo yarışması</title>
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		<dc:creator>zrmbilisim katkıları ile 2009 seo yarışması</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: betsson bet</title>
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		<dc:creator>betsson bet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mozilla’s official mobile Firefox browser client is still a ways off. But, I’d love a wireless-based Firefox</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks</description>
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		<description>very good. tanks.</description>
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<h2>Saturday  24 September 2005</h2><h3 class="entryhead" id="post-482"><a href="http://www.molly.com/2005/09/24/got-browser-woes-think-again/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Got Browser Woes? Think Again.">Got Browser Woes? Think Again.</a></h3>

<p><strong>IF YOU&#8217;VE BEEN LOSING HAIR</strong> due to browser incompatibilities on the desktop, blame your remaining gray hairs on IE 6.0, Safari or Opera bugs and implementation problems, and have felt the calcium leeching from your tired bones while trying to make standards-based sites compatible in older browsers, you may wish to stop reading right now.</p>
<p>As we expand our horizons from desktop to wireless, browser support isn&#8217;t going to get easier. In fact, anyone who has done wireless development already knows cross-device and wireless agent development is much more insane than anything we deal with on the desktop. </p>
<p>The battles we&#8217;ve fought and ultimately appear to be winning for screen-based browsers have done nothing to inspire those in the wireless manufacturing and user agent environment to think standards. Add to that literally thousands of unique wireless devices, many with proprietary user agent implementations, and if you <em>haven&#8217;t</em> gone bald, gray or lost bone mass, you&#8217;re about to.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a little taste, and I do mean a little, of what kind of XHTML support major agents sport.</p>
<table>
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<th>Device or Browser</th>
<th>XHTML Support</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Openwave</td>
<td>XHTML MP (XHTML Mobile Profile) and WML Extensions</td>
</tr>
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<td>Nokia</td>
<td>XHTML MP</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Access Systems</td>
<td>XHTML Basic</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>AU Systems</td>
<td>XHTML Basic</td>
</tr>
</table>
<p>&ldquo;Okay,&rdquo; you&#8217;re thinking. &ldquo;That doesn&#8217;t look so bad! It&#8217;s pretty much either <a href="http://www.wapforum.org/what/technical.htm">XHTML MP</a> or <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/">XHTML Basic</a>, right?&rdquo;</p>
<p>Wrong. Despite the simplicity of both the XHTML MP and XHTML Basic specifications, there&#8217;s such inconsistent implementation between the individual devices and browsers it&#8217;s enough to make a standardista give up the old holy ghost. </p>
<p>Ready for another morsel? If you&#8217;ve read this far, you know you are. So here&#8217;s a little taste (and I do mean little) of mobile device and browser inconsistencies:</p>
<ul>
<li><code>title</code> element woes. Some browsers render it as text, some use it properly within existing agent chrome, some use it for bookmarking. Which does what? You&#8217;ll have to test to find out, because even devices coming from the same manufacturer are likely to have different rendering capabilities</li>
<li>Device manufacturers like to confuse us. Samsung, for example, uses the AU System browser but, get this, <em>implements their own rendering engine</em>. That&#8217;s almost as weird as <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/05/25/421763.aspx">Netscape 8.0 and its dual Trident / Gecko rendering</a> engines</li>
<li>Provider gateways are not our friend. If MIME types and content negotiation in XHTML 1.0 and 1.1 annoy you, try this on for size. Provider gateways can totally influence the rendering of your documents. Some are sophisticated: They let only valid, conforming XHTML through. Some don&#8217;t. Some might translate any graphics, or drop them all together</li>
</ul>
<p>I did say this was only a little taste, right? Well,  we haven&#8217;t even covered mobile CSS support, which is either very limited or downright non-existent in most mobile environments. Where it does exist, what happens to many of the best practices we teach for the screen? Out the window! Why? Because most existing mobile browsers that support CSS <em>do not cache CSS</em>! As a result, any CSS in use must be embedded or inline.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll revisit CSS in mobile devices on another day. Right now I think I need to go color my hair.</p>

<p class="blogpostbit"><strong>Filed under</strong>: &nbsp; <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/standards/wasp/" title="View all posts in WaSP" rel="category tag">WaSP</a>, <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/software/" title="View all posts in software" rel="category tag">software</a>, <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/standards/" title="View all posts in standards" rel="category tag">standards</a><br />
<strong>Posted by</strong>: &nbsp; Molly | 09:01 |  <a href="http://www.molly.com/2005/09/24/got-browser-woes-think-again/#comments" title="Comment on Got Browser Woes? Think Again.">Comments (164)</a></p>
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			Wednesday  14 January 2009 at 12:47</a>		</div>

		<p>good</p>

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			Friday  16 January 2009 at 07:28</a>		</div>

		<p>thanks</p>

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			Saturday  17 January 2009 at 14:38</a>		</div>

		<p>Thanks for all</p>

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			Sunday  18 January 2009 at 09:22</a>		</div>

		<p>this info is enough, thanks to all</p>

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			Wednesday  21 January 2009 at 15:27</a>		</div>

		<p>very good. tanks.</p>

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			Wednesday  21 January 2009 at 15:43</a>		</div>

		<p>thanks</p>

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			Friday  30 January 2009 at 20:16</a>		</div>

		<p>Mozilla’s official mobile Firefox browser client is still a ways off. But, I’d love a wireless-based Firefox</p>

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			Saturday  31 January 2009 at 02:17</a>		</div>

		<p>Very good. Thank you.</p>

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		<p>thanks</p>

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		<p>I think everyone lives problem when they look at this site with ie 8.0. Shortly, ur comments say us correct ones.</p>

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		<p>the real kicker here is that they’ll probably make a couple thousand bucks on this scam.</p>
<p>They ought to earn something for entertaining us so much!</p>
<p>thanks</p>

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		<p>reall thanks for this kind of infos</p>

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		<p>Very good. Thank you.</p>

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		<p>It’s very good article. Great site with very good look and perfect information. I like it too.</p>

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