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Friday 16 September 2005
No Mr. Ballmer, Microsoft Will Not Win the Web
Reading through an article about Microsoft in Business Week, I was not shocked but oh so enraged by this bit from an interview with CEO Steve Ballmer:
“We won the desktop. We won the server. We will win the Web. We will move fast, we will get there. We will win the Web.”
In the past months, WaSP and Microsoft have been working together in the trenches to improve standards support in Microsoft products. While this is certainly a very positive move on Microsoft’s part, critics of both Microsoft and WaSP have pointed out Microsoft’s long history of aggressive business practices and ideologies. As a member of the WaSP / Microsoft Task Force, I’m extremely confident that the developers we’re working with get it and it’s been my take to separate Microsoft business practices and ideologies from the day-to-day software development work. And I stand by that perspective.
What I cannot stay silent about when reading these words is how blatantly uncaring a statement this is. How ignorant and arrogant and just plain wrong.
The Web is not a prize to be won, and Mr. Ballmer’s attitude is deplorable in the light of what the Web means to the world, to users, to designers and developers and to put it into Microsoft parlance, customers.
The Web belongs to everyone. The Web’s core vision and value is to be platform independent. Microsoft has no right to think it can win a tool that is for the people, of the people, and ultimately - by the people.
No Mr. Ballmer, you will never win the Web for one very good reason: We the people will make sure you never do.
Filed under: standards, software, web design and development, WaSP
Posted by: Molly | 2:47 pm |
September 16th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Molly: As a CEO - he’s an executive, a businessmen, and not a Web Professional…Execs see everything in this world as ‘things’…object to own, compete and fight for, and more significantly, to profit from. Sure - his remarks are a polar opposite from anyone who really cares about the direction and use of the Web - but he’s a businessman - it’s how they think. Is he representing Microsoft with these comments? Does Bill Gates keep guys like this whipped up into a volatile frenzy? He’s certainly not one of the development team….but Microsoft is made up of more than just that one team - what about the marketing divisions, accounts, legal, etc?
As you know: I’m a huge fan of the work you and WaSP are doing with companies like Microsoft…I hope to see that continue and have a profound impact on the industry and all it’s users. But are the guys calling the shots at MS (the ones who talk about ‘Winning the Web’ - like it’s a war - the one’s who hold the budgets in their hands) having a dialogue with WaSP too? I doubt that’s even possible.
Guys like Mr.Ballmer say whatever they like because they can hire and fire Dev teams like they are changing their underwear!
Yes, you and I, and (I bet) everyone who visits your site care deeply about the web, but we’re not in Mr.Ballmer’s shoes - and I’m sure in his industry circle, his comments are seen as fine, fighting talk…and yes - aggressive (the MS of old or the MS of the future too?)
Maybe we can use our anger at his remarks as a catalyst to strengthen the importance of promoting healthy web standards-based development for future products/services.
September 16th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
Um… M$ won the server?
What’re his criteria for winning?
September 16th, 2005 at 3:23 pm
I was thinking the exact same thing but this solidifies it. I have heard some things come out of his mouth that I did not like but this tops them all.
But maybe thats what all the buzz is about AOL. That would surely put them one step closer.
On the otherhand, how can you win the web if you don’t have a browser with proper support for it. I read something like a vanilla install of XP can be penetrated and become infected within 4 minutes of being connected to the web.
And I’m sorry… but is IIS/XP Server *really* the winner of servers? And if so, by who’s standards?
September 16th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Any company is in the business to do business. They are in it to make money dear. Every company is in competition to win their target market and make more money. By making money people work, they buy…free market economy.
MS is no different…if there goal is to win the browser war…let them. If you don’t like it compete with them. Create another browser or promote Firefox but please let’s not do the “it’s not fair” socialist mantra!
September 16th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
How do we go about winning the web? Here are some rules of war that may apply.
If you do not have the power to go through an enemy, and cannot go around them, your must find a way to make them let you through. Befriend their rival, buy their rival, work with their rival, until their goals are accomplished, then eliminate their rival.
Microsoft on many levels and in many departments “doesn’t get it.” Individuals may join the ranks, embrace best practices, etc. But Microsoft, the entity is, and always will be about conquest, nothing more. It is their religion.
I applaud those in the WASP / Microsoft Task Force on both sides of the fence. Your efforts are well meant, and ultimately, will probably improve IE. But I need to make this point. Microsoft’s upper tier, including Ballmer, may not look at this as a cooperative effort for the good of the web.
To someone like Ballmer, the opportunity to glean valuable information and experience at no cost to the company, and use that information to destroy his rivals must be a tantalizing idea. I have no doubt that he and others look at this in just this way.
I don’t trust MS. That is not to say that some folks who work for Microsoft are not sincere. Far from it. But sincere developers who, as has been mentioned, can be changed like underwear have little control over the wil of their masters, and even less control over the end use of their hard work.
September 16th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
Historically, successful technologies thrived, proprietary or not (think Flash), and the weird brain-children of “web committees” failed to go beyond the obfuscated-RFC and token-implementation phase (consider the plethora of W3 projects).
Design by committee and other collectivist practices, done in the name of the self-contradictory idea of group-ownership have always produces worse results than the work of private enterprise.
If Microsoft will or won’t “win the web”, I don’t know. I don’t know how it will impact us, if it happens. What I do know is that playground-collectivist rhetoric only leads to the stifling of free and profitable competition.
Let the technology most desired by consumers win! Microsoft makes crappy products, technologically, but they provide enough value in their bundles to outweigh that. Seeing only the technical aspect is tyrannizing people with jargon while their real needs and preferences are silences in the name of some bizarre tech-politics.
September 16th, 2005 at 4:24 pm
“The Web’s core vision and value is to be platform independent” can’t say that that’s something that I’ve heard before and I can’t see why the platform isn’t an intrinsic part of why the web works.
Anyway, unfortunately you could say that I’m one of the apathetic masses, I don’t really care what platform my websites running on, though I do have a preference towards windows being a primarily an ASP programmer and a windows platform gives me the most flexibility in terms oflanguages.
I also don’t quite get your vehemence against Balmer/Microsoft, but then I don’t understand most peoples problems with them. Balmers speaking as a businesman and, whilst I don’t doubt hhis intentions, it wouldn’t exactly sound good to any investors if he was to say that MS were going to lose market share in the server market and that other platforms were going to take over would it?
September 16th, 2005 at 4:25 pm
sorry “The Web’s core vision and value is to be platform independent” can’t say that that’s something that I’ve heard before and I can’t see why the platform isn’t an intrinsic part of why the web works. should have read as “The Web’s core vision and value is to be platform independent” can’t say that that’s something that I’ve heard before and I can’t see why the platform is an intrinsic part of why the web works.
September 16th, 2005 at 5:29 pm
“We won the desktop.”
Undeniable, though Windows market share is starting to fall now.
“We won the server.”
Ludicrous. Utterly, obviously false. Self-delusional, apparently.
“We will win the Web.”
Even more ludicrous. It’s attitudes like that will make Microsoft’s core business collapse.
Linux is becoming as usable as Windows - and free.
OpenOffice is becoming as usable as MS Office - and free.
This behemoth has a limited lifespan.
September 16th, 2005 at 5:40 pm
I don’t think he was talking to us, he was talking to his shareholders. And then it makes perfect sense.
I’m much more scared of Google. A Google web-based OS? I think we’ll see that happen. And that is scary.
September 16th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
I actually like Ballmer for a number of reasons but I think what he’s said is probably more PR fluff and internal motivation than actually intending to try to win the web and destroy all competition. As matt pointed out initially he’s a businessman.
I doubt an ambitious go getter like Ballmer would go out in public to say nothing is going on, no its a boring day at MicroSoft.
Would they like market share to increase though? Hell yeh. So the message we need to get to Ballmer is market share will increase on our side of the equation only when Microsoft release a product that supports standards and is perceived as a good web citizen.
I spend a fair bit of time reading Scoble’s blog and visiting channel nine and self promotion and internal motivation is obviously a big part of what these guys are about. Who could forget the developers, developers, developers music video of Ballmer giving his speach a while ago.
I might be naive but I think as the business environment shows these guys that standards support is important they have either a choice to support and excel at it or to drop the ball in favour of other markets. They’re about making money at the end of the day. In house dev pressures via WaSP etc are making sure they don’t miss the point.
OK just my opinion I guess and I’m not taking Ballmer to heart on this one. Owning the web is like owning foot odour or dandruff - I’ll still probably get both no matter what MS get up to.
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September 16th, 2005 at 5:53 pm
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September 16th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
Some of you are assuming that certain things will remain static…such as consumer demand, techology and you’re also making a judgement based on if you like MS or their products. Neither apply.
Technology, product competition and consumer demand and some chance will determine who will win. But winning isn’t permanent it’s temporal. If a certain company is dominant now it doesn’t mean that will be true tomorrow.
I don’t understand how many in our field have such a small frightening vision into the future.
Open source or free products is not the future…MS and growing companies know this. Look at ALL of the promising projects that are now on the ash heap of history.
September 16th, 2005 at 6:45 pm
You may remember my comment a few weeks ago that “you got bought”. Now you know of what I was referring. Ballmer and MS have only one thing in their sights and that is to win it all. One way is to feign the interest in web standards by joining with WASP and being on the W3C committee. They send their Trojan horses and destroy from within. They do not need you or WASP to learn how to develop products that meet web standards.
September 16th, 2005 at 6:45 pm
Unfortunately, Ballmer doesn’t come with a 10-second delay. Over the years I have heard more stupid things come out of his mouth than I’ve heard come out of mine. No mean feat. I say, write it off as just another Ballmer boner
September 16th, 2005 at 7:26 pm
Regardless of what Mr. Ballmer thinks or says - or anyone else high up the ladder of large corporations - statements like this only fuel the opinions of those originally opposed to the company they work for or run.
As Molly so rightly pointed out, the web is ‘for the people, of the people, and ultimately - by the people.’.
This means, we (the people) have the final say in who ‘wins the web’.
September 16th, 2005 at 7:43 pm
‘for the people, of the people, and ultimately - by the people.’
we used to say that about democracy too
September 16th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
>> They do not need you or WASP to learn how to develop products that meet web standards.
This is a very valid point that the WASP should seriously consider. MS quite obviously needed to patch things over with the web development community - did we hand them a solution on a plate?
We seem to have been placated enough that we accept the fact that the IE platform won’t be able to deliver XHTML or moderately advanced CSS for the next 5-7 years. Where’s the frustration? Where is the anger at that? Our industry is being put on hold for half a decade and we pass it off with “at least they are talking to us and trying”.
They aren’t trying - they are deceiving. My comments are not aimed at the IE team, they seem to be doing a great job within the scope they’ve been allowed.
“Let the technology most desired by consumers win! Microsoft makes crappy products, technologically, but they provide enough value in their bundles to outweigh that. Seeing only the technical aspect is tyrannizing people with jargon while their real needs and preferences are silences in the name of some bizarre tech-politics.”
IE is providing just enough features to keep the consumer happy. The term “real needs” is such a flexible one when it comes to technology, because really we don’t “need” a computer at all. IE provides enough convenience is all. XHTML, XForms and SVG - the benefits of these are so shielded from the consumer awareness that IE has no reason to include them when it is driven by business. A browser that works (by their definition) is all they want. And that’s all they’ll ever get.
Big up to Firefox and Opera and all those other browsers for giving it a good go though. No doubt they will influence IE to some degree.
September 16th, 2005 at 9:42 pm
Mr. Ballmer -
You never won my desktop. (Mac OS X)
You didn’t win my servers. (Apache/PHP/MySQL)
You won’t win the web.
The reason is that Microsoft isn’t making the web. We, the people are. And, although we mangle our code to work with that piece of junk known as IE, we still have our sites working in Firefox, Safari, etc.
September 17th, 2005 at 12:15 am
Come on! Please don’t try to take words out of context and waste your ink on it.
In the interview, BusinessWeek asked:
What does it mean to win the Web?
And Balmer reply is no where as consuming as you make out to be.
September 17th, 2005 at 12:53 am
Ballmer is a relic of the old Microsoft. I’m sure many Microsoft staff cringed when they heard what he had said.
The truth is that no one entity will ever control the internet. It’s beauty is that is intangible and beyond anyone’s control.
September 17th, 2005 at 1:33 am
Business history is filled with examples of industries that faced competition from an unexpected source. The Swiss watch industry came up against digital timekeeping. Digital cameras overtook the celluloid film industry. The list is long.
Software builders may be challenged by the likes of Google, as bandwidth expands. Then all you will need on your desktop is a browser.
Microsoft’ biggest competitor may not be another software builder, or open source software.
In this event, “browser” standards will be of paramount importance.
More strength to Molly’s arm, or perhaps more power to her voice.
September 17th, 2005 at 1:36 am
Carlos Bernal: “They are in it to make money dear.”
You condescending wimp! As a MSFT shareholder, I resent the fact my CEO, Ballmer, is doing me a disservice by giving me the *false* impression that the web can be owned and, no less, by MSFT. That’s bad *business* judgement. It’s nutty not on political grounds as you suggest but simply on strategic grounds because the web’s value grows by inclusion not by exclusionary proprietary lock-in. MSFT made the same blustery noises when they began to “fight” the iPod/iTunes/iTMS phenomenon, declaring that they will win against Apple. Guess what? MSFT lost big time. And the stock price reflects that. While you’re at it, check the MSFT stock over the last five years Ballmer’s talking about. His performance has been abysmal. In many other organizations he’d have been given a golden parachute and kicked out.
September 17th, 2005 at 1:54 am
I believe the web is obsolete as a application environment anyway. It was designed to display documents, and it has been kludged to run apps. We need to move on to a system that is designed from the ground up to run apps. We need an application browser that communicates bi-directionally with the server with messages.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:13 am
Once I read “We won the server” I was done. It wrote everything else off.
Apache. Apache. Apache.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:15 am
Here here, Molly!
MS are so up their own asses they dont know what’s going on in the real world..
September 17th, 2005 at 2:51 am
Chris: “We need an application browser that communicates bi-directionally with the server with messages.”
Maybe you’ve heard of Ajax?
September 17th, 2005 at 4:52 am
I find the comments about moving fast the funniest I think. I’m going to use a strange analogy and call MS a main battle tank. They’re big, they’re heavy, they’ve got lots of protection and if you get in their way they pack one hell of a punch, but they’re slow.
The rest of the web community is a bunch of soldiers and a few of them are armed with cheap, disposable anti-tank missiles. They move fast and hit hard.
MS hasn’t really innovated in decades, they have the money and position to buy whatever they want and that’s what they do, or they just flat out steal it.
The only thing we can hope is that Apple decide to make OS X work on standard PC architecture, if that happens Windows will have a competitor that is better, more secure, easier to use and more innovative, then we’ll see how good their core technologies are.
And just how long is Vista taking to develop, even now they’ve dropped half of the innovations? It should have been out this year, not next year (and that may slip too), were they concentrating on the X-box too much?
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September 17th, 2005 at 5:17 am
The funny part in the comment is “Balmer speaks as a businessman”. I guess I should move the “Why businesspeople speak like idiots” book up my “will buy” list…
September 17th, 2005 at 5:35 am
Molly, maybe throw a chair arround the office now :-p
September 17th, 2005 at 6:10 am
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September 17th, 2005 at 6:14 am
Being an idiot is one thing throwing chairs is another though both go together in one word *sighs* …
September 17th, 2005 at 6:39 am
@Gabriel Mihalache
I suggest that you do some reading on the history of Internet, and then you come back telling us that TCP/IP don’t exist, that mail doesn’t exist, that UNIX doesn’t exist, that cooperative networks based on the various RFCs don’t exist and don’t work, and that - ultimately - the whole internet doesn’t exist since it’s exactly what you posted.
September 17th, 2005 at 6:46 am
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September 17th, 2005 at 8:49 am
Molly, it’s understandable why a statement like that (if not seen in correct context) will seriously piss off quite a few people. A bunch of them reacted, naturally, as they usually do, with “M$ Sucks and Apache is better than heaven”-type comments. Of course they would.
Obviously (because you said so) it pissed you off. However, I think you need to understand - like it has been pointed out by one or two of your sharper commenters - that it was a business statement. I’ll stay away from trying to explain that (if only because it’s already been done)…
What I would like to point out is that Microsoft are actually starting to get the web. Slowly, yes. But they’re getting there. You’re helping, and I thank you for that. Yes, MS-based HTML and CSS code is notoriously crappy, but it’s getting better. Every single day.
Sure, non-MS people (I hate to refer to the open source community, but that’s what I mean) are slowly getting better at the business stuff than they have been (and let’s not kid ourselves, you guys have seriously sucked it at in past), but I think that the improvement is happening quicker on Microsoft’s side. Yep, you heard me, we’re catching up quicker than you are.
To all the “I love Apache, Mac, I’ll take working on my own above corporate power, and I hate M$” commenters: Try to see things from a serious business frame of mind, and realise that we don’t hate the little people. We love you guys, really. We just want your money, and that will never change, no matter how much you cry …
September 17th, 2005 at 8:49 am
Let him talk. Just because he says it, doesn’t mean he has a snowball’s chance of making it happen. Besides, the guy’s a loose canon. He’s probably feeling his back against the wall with Google doing the pushing and needs to bluster to make himself feel good. You know, cast a vision for his company and all that.
September 17th, 2005 at 9:26 am
I think Mr Ballmer was just doing a part of his job. ie rooting for his company big time which is what he is paid to do. Whether he will be succesful in his designs will depend on whether the people using the web embrace the technology and products that microsoft brings out wholeheartedly or look else where for alternate options.
Of course microsoft with its money power and dominant market share could influence strongly in the way the web technologies work - but take total control of the web!! I think it is really far fetched.
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September 17th, 2005 at 12:52 pm
The guy throws chairs too. An then after that he proclaims how he’s kicked Google’s ass once, and can do it again. I don’t think it was part of his job, but part of his personality. His arrogant nature makes these statements seem, well, normal. I don’t think he’s doing it because he’s representing the company, I think inside he’s trying to compensate for what Microsoft’s not doing right.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
just have to say… very well said!! :p
September 17th, 2005 at 5:45 pm
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September 18th, 2005 at 4:27 am
I look so forward to the day when interop is so ingrained into the day-to-day chore of using computers that all of this becomes irrelevent.
So when’s the last time you gave two seconds thought to the operating system in your DVD player?
Parts is parts.
How I wish it were like that.
September 18th, 2005 at 4:41 am
your argument is contradictary. Microsoft states they want to make their product the standard - this makes you upset because you are fighting for standards.
According to your argument, the W3C must also be “blatantly uncaring …ignorant, arrogant and just plain wrong.”
September 18th, 2005 at 5:35 am
“We will stay, we will fight and we will win the war on terrorism.”
Same kind of rhetoric.
Frankly, how many shareholders are going to believe that the Web can be ‘won’—or should I say own3d?
September 18th, 2005 at 7:30 am
No Mr. Ballmer, Microsoft Will Not Win the Web
September 18th, 2005 at 9:06 am
Guys, I think he’s talking about MSN beating Google and Yahoo.
September 18th, 2005 at 10:27 am
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September 18th, 2005 at 11:09 am
I think Google is starting to suck nowadays, becoming a hefty giant of its own, crushing everything in its path. I’m starting to loathe it as much as I hate the likes of MSN, Hotmail, MSN Messenger, etc. I remember when Google just a small start-up competing with AltaVista, HotBot and Yahoo! (MSN was always a non-factor, heh).
Now Google is a behemoth claiming market on every corner of everything with its Blogger, Google AdSense, Gmail, GoogleDesktop, GoogleToolbar, and ugh, GoogleTalk. I’m sorry, but what the hell is this? These services are not what makes Google great. Pay more attention to your damn search engine!!
I’m not saying I want Microsoft to succeed. Far be it. I want the goddamn giants to stop this expand, grow, crush and expand mentality. The best companies out there do just one or two things and do them well. Does New York Times have their own TV station? Does Toyota make airplanes? So why is Google going to take on PayPal? Why does Microsoft insist on making gaming consoles?
Maybe I’m just puzzled by the logic behind everyone bashing Microsoft for stating their intentions of doing what Google is doing, and backing Google for what they’ve already done and will continue to do — namely, fuck over the competition.
September 18th, 2005 at 1:44 pm
Anona Says: “Maybe you’ve heard of Ajax?”
Chris Nystrom Says: “… It was designed to display documents, and it has been kludged to run apps”.
Whatever it’s other merits, Ajax is most certainly a kludge.
September 18th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
“Does New York Times have their own TV station?”
Yes. Eight of them.
“Does Toyota make airplanes?”
Well, they own AirFlite.
Unlike traditional corporations, tech firms including Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo!, and Google have a tendancy to brand all of their products the same.
Who thinks Yahoo! Marketing Services sounds better than Overture? It doesn’t, but they don’t care. Their brand name is Yahoo!, period.
Now want to see a traditional corporation that owns web properties? Check out InterActiveCorp. Did you have any idea that the same company owns Ask Jeeves, Ticketmaster, LendingTree.com, and Match.com?
Same reason we may not realize that the New York Times Co. also owns the Boston Globe, plus their eight TV stations.
September 18th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
MS: same old, same old (with charts!)
BusinessWeek came out with a few recent articles on Microsoft: Troubling Exits At Microsoft Steve Ballmer Shrugs Off The Critics A Rendezvous With Microsoft’s Deep Throat Awaiting Microsoft’s Growth Spurt College tech recruiting surprise Unsurprising…
September 18th, 2005 at 10:19 pm
Thanks for the enlightening about corporations that own everything from the earth to the sky. I certainly would have expected a little more from the NYT, but the different branding fooled me. Maybe it’s not so bad, then, that Google, MS and Yahoo! just lay their multi-tasking tendencies out in the open for all to view (and even proclaim it loudly), rather than hide it like everyone else does.
I always did have a deep suspicion that the end result of capitalism is not healthy competition, but mergers and monopolies.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:38 am
Well, let’s let Micro$oft be Micro$oft. They’re bound to come up with some stupid quotes frequently.
September 19th, 2005 at 12:41 am
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September 19th, 2005 at 12:55 am
No, Microsoft didn’t win anything. They monopolized everything. How could they win with no competition?
Ah.. you’re starting to see what does happen when competition arises.
September 19th, 2005 at 1:22 am
Actually I can’t believe it to read things like this. It is all relative in this business. There is a talk the web is from us, the users, consumers. Now to make this short… Who made MS what it is right now? Isn’t it the consumer who bought and still buy their products? Apple is about what? 3% to 4% in the OS market? Why? To expensive for the main public of course… Linux couldn’t manage to get a smooth installing consumer based desktop, Firefox is slowing down at 10%, Opera is asking money for their ‘concert ticket’, Skype Team is going to take a long vacation on a tropical Island, AOL going to be MS-LOL… It is all about the bucks nothing else. So what? All those companies create thousands of jobs for thousands of people where ever in the world. So tell me, if the consumer didn’t buy it how come MS is to that size and point as where they are right now? “We the people will make sure you never do.” We the consumers have choosen already to let MS dominate big parts of the market. Who says if we all choose for say Google that they wouldn’t get the same attitude 10 years from now? They already being very busy to improve their databases with private info all with one goal in mind… To see what your doing and how to get YOU in their million/billion dollar business as consumer. The more consumers the more money… All will shake hands in eachother in the end anyway. MS>>?Google? - Yahoo>>?Trump? Relative so relative…
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September 19th, 2005 at 6:28 am
I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, but I think there’s too much being read into this. Microsoft is a software company. My interpretation of his comments in that context were:
“We currently don’t have the best tools to view and develop for the web, but we will.”
Whether or not it’s true that they eventually will, I believe that’s what he meant.
September 19th, 2005 at 8:46 am
I 100% agree that the “Web” is not a prize to be one and was built on the idea that no one owns the web and that it’s platform-independent. In those terms MS will never own the “Web.” The harsh reality of it though is that they may not “win the web” but they certainly have the strongest and largest hold in the market for applications and client tools that allow users to browse the web. I’m not for any one company dominating the market on anything, but when the majority of users out there are non-technical and could care less what browser they use to get their Yahoo! email, and look at Ebay items, MS will be ahead in the web browsing application market. Not until the entire planet is composed up of people born after 1980 will people be wise enough to NOT allow any one company control the market share on any application. It sucks, but it’s reality. No matter how bad MS is painted in the press about bugs, viruses, spam, etc., etc. it will not change because the generation older than 30 typically could care less whether MS owns the market in something or not…all they want is to get their email and websites and that’s it.
I repeat. It’s a reality.
September 19th, 2005 at 9:21 am
Molly, They will win because everything from the entertainment side is a now beginning to go through one technological portal which includes the web. Microsoft is positioning itself to be there and we already see what the vehicle is: ‘the X-Box’ This little device is the forerunner or tool being used to gain market share and entrenchment. Its the same principal as when they embedded IE into there O/S. The kids are becoming use to using the X-box, its a natural evolution of technological easiness. Microsoft is making easy for the average user to use their devices to accomplish everyday tasks. Just watch they are already gaining a foot hold. They are just using the video gane to develop a new market share. I hope this does not happpen but watch its going to HAPPEB.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:19 am
Just more talk from the big dawgs. I too respect the modern day developers for Microsoft. They’re doing great things…and they’re probably reading this right now. Good for them. It’s gotta suck when your bosses get up and say something dumb like that… and even as one pointed out that this could have been possibly taken out of context…he should have known better.
September 19th, 2005 at 11:19 am
Excellent comedians at Microsoft
Microsoft’s greatest comedian, Mr. Steve Ballmer, has entertained us with this words (in Busines Week):
“The output of our innovation is great. We won the desktop. We won the server. We will win the Web. We will move fast, we will get there. We will win the Web.”
I haven’t had such an amusing time since the days in which the other great comedian at Microsoft, Mr. Craig Mundie, spoke about GPL.
Thank you, Microsoft, for sharing with us your humor!
September 19th, 2005 at 3:12 pm
Rob Belics Said:
You may remember my comment a few weeks ago that “you got bought”. Now you know of what I was referring. Ballmer and MS have only one thing in their sights and that is to win it all. One way is to feign the interest in web standards by joining with WASP and being on the W3C committee.
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Yeah, yeah, it’s lot of fun to say “I told you so” and be the one to uncover a huge conspiracy, but… you’re not the one.
How, exactly, would feigning interest in web standards help Microsoft win it all? Answer: it wouldn’t. The people who care about web standards will do nothing more than they already did to help MS “win it all”, until MS delivers. That is, until MS releases a browser that takes standards seriously. Yeah, we’re happy that things finally seem to be moving, we’re cheering them on - but it’s not gonna do them one ounce of good until they’ve delivered.
OF COURSE they want to win it all! (No shit, Sherlock?!) And if they can achieve that goal by adhering to standards - great for all of us.
As for “being on the W3C committee”, MS has been a member of the W3C since before WaSP was founded. No news there.
Chris Said:
September 18th, 2005 at 4:41 am
your argument is contradictary. Microsoft states they want to make their product the standard - this makes you upset because you are fighting for standards.
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You’re joking, right?
Let’s put it like this:
“Your wife/husband/whatever serves you meat for dinner. This makes you upset because you wanted meat.”
Sounds crazy, yeah - until you realize that there are different kinds of meat, just as there are different kinds of standards.
September 19th, 2005 at 9:37 pm
The power and arrogance of Microsoft
First off, this post is what some people would call very “anti-Microsoft”. So, if this sort of…
September 20th, 2005 at 1:01 pm
So I was browsing News.com — eh, I was reading about Vista and Office 12 — and came across a July 28th story that included a couple paragraphs that sounded awfully familiar:
“The [Microsoft] CEO [Steve Ballmer] also focused a good deal of attention on the company’s competition with Internet leaders such as Yahoo and Google.
“‘We have won on the desktop,’ Ballmer said. ‘Now we really are going to win on the Web.’
“Ballmer said the Web will be the No. 1 place to advertise, noting that there will eventually only be a handful of major places to advertise on the Internet. ‘You can rest assured this company will be one of them.’”
Source: http://news.com.com/Ballmer+High-end+Windows%2C+Office+coming/2100-1016_3-5808554.html?tag=st.rn
This time he said “win the Web,” last time he said “win on the Web.” That IS an attitude difference. Google really is making him go crazy, huh?
*ducks as a chair flies by*
September 20th, 2005 at 6:21 pm
“We will win the Web.”
Coming from Steve Ballmer this does not surprise me. You show contempt for open standards and open formats and spread lies about free and open source software (society will apparently collapse if it uses free and open source software), GPL/LGPL (they are a “cancer”), GNU/Linux (it is costly, insecure and you’ll get sued by using it), and manipulate markets through criminal activities (U.S. DOJ, EU,…) to sustain your arrogant monopoly and the twin pillars of your corrupted empire; MS-Windows and MS-Office.
You can’t win the Web. We are the Web and you lost our TRUST a decade ago.
September 21st, 2005 at 3:05 am
nice sentiment that they won’t win the web…butwhile they rule the desktop, they run the web…..i have enough difficulty convincing folks that Firefox looks and runs like IE….
September 21st, 2005 at 6:18 am
“That is, until MS releases a browser that takes standards seriously.”
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September 21st, 2005 at 3:15 pm
He won what? “made in china” and “walmart” are perfect examples of quantity over quality.
Unfortunately, quantity means $$, quality means pride…
I perfect my solitaire while clients ask me to “hold, while they restart” or “wait, I crashed”
September 21st, 2005 at 9:48 pm
I’m sorry, I just have to jump in here. (full disclosure: I work for Microsoft Research)
The entire BusinessWeek article is set up to portray Microsoft in the worst possible light. It’s full of factual errors, stretched truths, and misrepresentations designed to make MS and Ballmer look bad.
Just because a Google employee says that Ballmer threw a chair, doesn’t mean it really happened. Just because BusinessWeek says Ballmer said something, doesn’t mean he actually said it, or in that context, or that it means what BusinessWeek says that it means.
A couple of other points: “server” is not the same as “web server.” Windows NT has a very large share of corporate servers. If Ballmer did in fact say what BW claims he said, he could have meant that. Also, paraphrasing Steve Jobs, everybody doesn’t have to lose in order for Microsoft (or any other company) to “win”. It’s a big (and growing) pie, and there’s room for a lot of companies, plus open source, to compete and to partner. The only high-tech exec I’ve ever heard claim that he wanted 100% of a market was Jim Barksdale when he was at Netscape.
The most important point, though: don’t believe everything you read. Reporters make their reputation on sexy stories, but sexy stories aren’t always true stories.
September 22nd, 2005 at 7:37 am
“Just because BusinessWeek … said something, doesn’t mean he actually said it … or that it means what BusinessWeek says that it means.”
So BusinessWeek only publishes lies or damn lies?
September 22nd, 2005 at 9:21 am
So other articles, Like the alleged tirade Ballmer went through when a developer was going to quit and go to Google are lies? So everything that we hear and read about Ballmer is just fabricated, trumped-up lies?!
Looks like they do brainwash the workers before they herd them into the HQ like cattle up there.
I notice more and more that M$ is trying to (or dare I say COPY??) copy Mozilla/Firefox with its web developer toolbar… eerily similar indeed. Tabbed browsing? Hmm… been done way before Firefox and Opera too..
Ballmer walks around and talks a big game, but he hasn’t won my server (Linux) ,desktop (Linux), laptop (linux), software (open source), hardware (logitech), and browser (opera/firefox). Hell, I will use Konqueror or Lynx before I use Internet Destroyer.
I am also selling developing for other browsers first at my office and trying to spread the word about web standards and all the other stuff I have learned in the past three years.
Microsoft hasn’t won anything with me but loathing and a trail of broken css.
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September 23rd, 2005 at 7:04 am
This is so old.
If people put as much effort into their own lives as they put into hate others, Microsoft, the President, etc…, then those people would be many times more successful.
Opinions are one thing, but when it becomes a collective obsession as it has been for so long, its just gets old and tiring AND IGNORED.
If you’re all so dead against successful people in great places but dont how or why they are there, then knock them off the hill. MY GOD already.
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:06 am
oh and what’s this “we” crap?
“We the people will make sure you never do.”
Is this the same as those uber-stupid “gas-out” day emails that AOL’ers send around when they get angry about gas prices going up?
Geez
September 23rd, 2005 at 6:56 pm
Can’t stand an anti-Microsoft opinion can you Mike? Well guess what, this is the Internet, deal with it.
September 25th, 2005 at 5:24 am
No Mike, this has nothing to do with chain letters. Personal insults don’t belong in a conversation as important as this one.
Tim Berners-Lee has given a great gift to the world, technology that belongs to the people.
Microsoft can never own or win the web, neither can governments or other corporations (yes, even you Google).
The web is bigger than any one person, company, country or ideology.
“Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams
himself your master.”
Information belongs to no one, it wants to be free.
No one wants Microsoft as their master.
September 25th, 2005 at 6:54 am
You pay to get online, no? You pay for your lights, heat, water, TV, Internet, etc - no?
Do you provide profession design services for free too? Should everyone in the world live and work for free?
Man, you folks have dreams bigger than the universe. Unfortunately you wake up when the BILLS arrive.
Microsoft puts food on my family’s plate and children through college. Before that it was IBM and other giants in the tech world. In over 40 years working with INFORMATION, never once have I seen it “free” and it will never become free.
Go ahead and provide your services for free but let me know how you’ll eat and pay the bills.
It amazes me how today’s kids have this clouded, muffled view of the world.
September 25th, 2005 at 12:31 pm
Your ignorance betrays you Mike. You demonstrate that you do not understand what the issues are, what the word “free” means, how the software industry works and your intolerance of anyone that has an anti-Microsoft opinion.
I’m baffled, you have over 40 years of experience in the industry yet you conflate anything anti-Microsoft with free software, paying the bills, and services; amazing. I don’t know what is worse; your intolerance of anti-Microsoft opinions or your igorance of the issues.
September 25th, 2005 at 3:28 pm
“Microsoft puts food on my family’s plate and children through college.”
And I suppose that, I don’t know, a company like Netscape didn’t put food on some family’s plate?
That is until Microsoft decided to abusively wield its monopoly to eliminate Netscape distribution channels, bind Internet Explorer to Windows and make it impossible (and illegal) for OEMs to remove it, therefore forcing IE on the world; a fantastically insecure browser that pushed proprietary garbage on the web and set back the pace of open standards/formats adoption many years.
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September 26th, 2005 at 2:06 am
>Open source or free products is not the >future…MS and growing companies know >this. Look at ALL of the promising >projects that are now on the ash heap of >history.
What, like Apache, PHP, Firefox, Linux and GCC? On the ash heap of industry, the lot of them
Nick
September 27th, 2005 at 6:40 am
I take something positive from this statement. If he’d been interviewed this time last year, he could have said “We have won the web” with some justification, at least as far as browsing is concerned.
The fact that MS think there’s a battle to be fought will mean that they start investing resources in fighting it again. When they had competition, IE was one of the best browsers available. It’s only since they won the browser war that they’ve sat back and allowed it to moulder. If MS look to “win” the internet by building a top-notch web browser, that’s gotta be a good thing right? That’s the only way they’re gonna beat Firefox - the bad old methods of putting rivals out of business won’t work if the ravals aren’t in business in the first place.
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September 29th, 2005 at 4:53 pm
Molly, you rule. Steve Ballmer is an arrogant moron. It’s statements like this that reinforce the fact that Microsoft is still and will always be a company seeking a monopoly on everything computer-related.
If Microsoft thinks they’ll always be on top, they’re as delusional as they are malignant.
Rome, too, thought they owned the world.
September 30th, 2005 at 1:15 am
They can and probably will win interfaces/archival of e-learning, university, health service, government portal, home-entertainment, e-commerce. From there it’s a short hop to forcing developers to drop the standards ball to put food on the table.
They’ll need 5-7 years, after which only the stalwarts will care, as they’re pushing their trollies full of bags around.
For it not to happen, you’re all going to need to get into management.
Microsoft have, quite probably, out witted the standards bearing communist shrills they invoked in the minds of many. The truth is that it’s our own fault for permitting IE to live for so long. You were all already beaten by the apparently shameful concept of “browser elitism”, you knew it didn’t add up. No going back.
It’s very sad.
October 2nd, 2005 at 5:42 pm
@Anon
What you’re saying was what was being said years ago when IE had over 96% share of the market under its belt. Back then too it was believed that the standards cry was futile and was going to die due to IE’s dominance and the poor support across other browsers. Well, just look at standards now - the standards wheel has progressed and come very far since then.
IE and Microsoft’s position has weakened considerably since the days of the extermination of Netscape by Microsoft’s scheming practices. Linux is beginning to be more widely recognized and certain governments have even made the complete switch to Linux due to security issues. Firefox and other standards compliant browsers are posing a real issue for IE.
And above all, web developers interested in standards and the abandoning of proprietary technologies are starting to get fed up with Microsoft’s broken browser. The only reason Microsoft has all of a sudden expressed such keen interest in standards support is that that the new kid on the block Firefox has been so widely accepted by standards based developers that Microsoft fears that it will lose developer support.
Just look at Microsoft’s track record of standard’s support as that’s plenty proof of Microsoft’s attitude. Now lingering on in its trashy sixth iteration, IE still doesn’t even fully support CSS1 (even though it says it does on the IE site), and I really doubt IE7 will improve that much. What does that tell you about Microsoft? They don’t care about standards.
When IE7 was announced, Chris Wilson’s blog on standards was inundated with requests for decent standards support. Developers are just plain getting sick and tired of MS pathetic behaviour and their half-hearted vague responses to questions. Unless MS listens this time round, they will lose only more support.
October 5th, 2005 at 8:29 am
Gee, the Microsoft “monopoly” police were stationed at ever software store with GUNS pointed at people heads FORCING THEM to purchase AND THEN USE their software.
Dont give me these froo-froo liberal views on SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT and distribution.
People WORK to develop software and should get PAID, decently, for their labor.
Ignorance? ha. who he heck is ignorant? The people who want to SHARE the wealth of OTHERS’ hard work or those who do so without asking?
Next time you’re spending MY hard-earned dollar by giving it to someone else - at least have the courtesy of ASKING me first.
I’d like to see the look on the plumbers face when he fixes your crapper and you just show him the door as you put your arm around his shoulder and explain to him the many facets of working for the benefit of all. I’d love to see the look on your attorney’s face after she spends 2 hours with you in a consultation and you simply walk out expecting her to work gratis for everyone.
Dont give me any Netscape sob stories. Dont give me any Borland or AOL or anyone else sob stories. ALL OF THEM are in it to make billions and all they do is eat, sleep and crap thoughts of wealth.
And lastly, any 12 year old whiz-kid programmer can put that software giant into a grave from his garage. If you dont think so, wait a couple of years and check back. But if you think that 12 year old is going to give away his work, then you’re definitely the fool here. Even the 12 year old wants to buy baseball cards and candy… OR THE ENTIRE BASEBALL TEAM with his hard-earned money.
Stopping Microsoft isnt going to stop Captialism and the world isnt just made up of people who want to live like artists: depressed and poor, yet outwardly happy.
October 5th, 2005 at 8:34 am
for “Todd Says: September 22nd, 2005 at 9:21 am ”
You know, it was bound to happen. Microsoft gets on the ball and tries to clean up IE by rewriting it and collaborating with some damn good design/development people who are offering assistance and people like you accuse them of stealing and copying.
You’re all beginning to sound like damn democrat liberals in America who do nothing more than bitch, moan and whine and when asked - have nothing important to contribute.
If you’re all so damn unhappy with Microsoft, then band together and form a development company of your own and beat Microsoft into the ground.
Dont ask me how you’ll eat without any salary from income of your products - but at least you all should TRY instead of just whining like we all see on all these sites. WHINES WHINES WHINES.
its so damn OLD.
October 7th, 2005 at 12:45 am
Anon: You raise a good point. One day the use of proprietary garbage on government and key e-commerce web sites like banks, telecommunications, utilities etc… will become a thing of the past. One day the use of proprietary MS-Office formats to store public records and exchange, distribute, or publish any kind of data that is indended for large audiences on the web will become a thing of the past.
P.S. Is there any point to Mike’s raving mad incoherent posts?
October 8th, 2005 at 12:29 pm
..For web professionals..it would be rude to say “we are winning the web” but how many of microsoft’s shareholders are web professionals..
well the shareholders will certainly be happy about this statement..and thats what matters to the CEO
let him do his job.
October 21st, 2005 at 1:28 pm
Guys,
Microsoft own IE, most people view the web through IE, therefore Microsft are in a position to prevent thrid-party plug-ins like Flash, WildTangent, Quicktime, Java Applets etc. from running. They are even in a position stop using web standards, and therefore products such as Dreamweaver and Flash will be useless??
Microsoft could very easily win the web, they could even make people pay for IE or stop producing it, and use some other windows proprietary interface to access online content - since they have won the OS market - THE PEOPLE HAVE NO CHOICE, OUR ONLINE EXPEREINCE SEEMS TO BE IN MS HANDS.
I just hope there is some kind of law that will prevent this.
November 14th, 2005 at 11:41 pm
So many microsoft’s shareholders are web professionals!
November 14th, 2005 at 11:45 pm
Stopping Microsoft isnt going to stop Captialism…
December 5th, 2005 at 8:48 am
waits for google to complete their own version of Apache…..
December 7th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
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December 25th, 2005 at 2:15 am
any 12 year old whiz-kid programmer can put that software giant into a grave from his garage. If you dont think so, wait a couple of years and check back. But if you think that 12 year old is going to give away his work, then you’re definitely the fool here.
January 2nd, 2006 at 1:37 am
The fact that MS think there’s a battle to be fought will mean that they start investing resources in fighting it again. When they had competition, IE was one of the best browsers available. It’s only since they won the browser war that they’ve sat back and allowed it to moulder. If MS look to “win” the internet by building a top-notch web browser, that’s gotta be a good thing right? That’s the only way they’re gonna beat Firefox - the bad old methods of putting rivals out of business won’t work if the ravals aren’t in business in the first place.
January 2nd, 2006 at 3:28 pm
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January 18th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
No Mr. Ballmer, You Cannot Have the Web
January 20th, 2006 at 12:37 am
If I was a shareholder in MS (which I am as it happens), or any large blue-chip internet based company, this is exactly what I would want to hear. It all depends on your interpretation of “win the web”, and based on the raving comments here this means anything from preventing 3rd party add-ons (this is just so daft) to “owning the web”. Can you explain to me how MS will own the web? Insane dribble. To me, to win the web means to win traffic (presumably above 50%), and to do this you need compelling applications which MS is already producing at a rapid rate (along with many other companies). These are exciting times.
I am sick of hearing all this rubbish about IE. IE has been around so long with no significant changes because there was no decent competition. There weren’t any HTML or CSS standards when IE first came out!!! FF took a hell of a long time to come out, and only after taking some architectural ques from the IE dom (namely XPCOM) after the mess that was netscape. And it’s still a lot slower than IE6. Give me a break
January 28th, 2006 at 8:30 am
I have not used Windows for the last 4 months @ home. I now use Ubuntu Linux instead. There are 4 reasons for this:
1) My operating was Free
2) I don’t get Spyware or Viruses anymore
3) Being told how I should use my computer
4) Steve Ballmar
This is enough for me never to use Windows @ home anymore and I mean it.
February 22nd, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Look around you, comrades. Yes, these are fighting words, but not idle boasting. Yes, they are aggressive. That’s what it takes to survive in this industry. I’m 51 years old. I’ve worked for 16 different tech companies in the last 30 years. 10 of them are out of business completely. The other six are barely recognizable from when I worked there. This is a bad neiborhood, people. Bill Gates knows what you had better learn fast. The weak are killed and eaten. Don’t be weak or you’ll be his dinner. Find out what you’re personal weaknesses are and do somthing about them. If you’re ignorant of how the free enterprize system works, then learn fast. Or be some one’s lunch.
March 10th, 2006 at 10:28 pm
Mike seems to be one of the only people posting here that understands what capitalism is all about.
I’ve never listened to more crybaby, whiney ass people in my life. The amount of whining is astonishing!
Hey Mike, could imagine being married to one of these bitchers…I’d rather blow my brains out, then listen to this crap.
Im out.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
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December 2nd, 2006 at 12:34 am
Who is this guy? Is Ballmer on drugs? I realize that Microsoft is almost larger than life but to say that they will “win the web” is like saying that the US military is going to rule the universe. By the way, I wonder what Bill Gates thought of Ballmer’s comment?
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December 14th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
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April 9th, 2007 at 6:19 am
i hope google will win the web. no microsoft please
October 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Well Hostel, I’m afraid that the final decision is not ours to make. It is all in the green my friend. Who rules online will be decided by the almighty dollar.
J-
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February 12th, 2008 at 6:48 am
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February 13th, 2008 at 8:12 am
“We won the desktop. We won the server. We will win the Web. We will move fast, we will get there. We will win the Web.”
Hah! It’s not so easy man!
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