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		<description>thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Kolay Gelsin</title>
		<link>http://www.molly.com/2005/08/08/its-a-world-wide-web-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-1057422</link>
		<dc:creator>Kolay Gelsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks</description>
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		<title>By: TechniCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechniCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any more css conferences coming up in Sydney?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more css conferences coming up in Sydney?</p>
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		<title>By: Sindy</title>
		<link>http://www.molly.com/2005/08/08/its-a-world-wide-web-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-20277</link>
		<dc:creator>Sindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be a ‘do CSS’ before AND after thing….(Before beer and then after beer!) *Laughs* Of course the Brit lads will be the last ones standing…but our CSS skills might be really screwed-up by that point!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a ‘do CSS’ before AND after thing….(Before beer and then after beer!) *Laughs* Of course the Brit lads will be the last ones standing…but our CSS skills might be really screwed-up by that point!!</p>
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		<title>By: deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2006 11:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s good to hear that something good comes out of the Netherlands.&quot;

Thats a bit harsh, lets not forget that the Dutch gave the world...... er...... clogs.

Any more news on the new standards group Molly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s good to hear that something good comes out of the Netherlands.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats a bit harsh, lets not forget that the Dutch gave the world&#8230;&#8230; er&#8230;&#8230; clogs.</p>
<p>Any more news on the new standards group Molly?</p>
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		<title>By: Denn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our initiative is a pretty solid one, but only because the NL is a pretty small country. We only have a small foothold in the business world in this country; on a European scale, we have virtually no foothold. Any chance of getting a lot off the ground is greatly diminished for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our initiative is a pretty solid one, but only because the NL is a pretty small country. We only have a small foothold in the business world in this country; on a European scale, we have virtually no foothold. Any chance of getting a lot off the ground is greatly diminished for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Bowers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley Bowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking of starting a group or sub group if one already exsists here in America for web standards group members like me.This is no doubt a great idea they thought up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking of starting a group or sub group if one already exsists here in America for web standards group members like me.This is no doubt a great idea they thought up!</p>
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		<title>By: bio</title>
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		<dc:creator>bio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heallo, i have a music site, can i place a link to your website from mine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heallo, i have a music site, can i place a link to your website from mine?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Firminger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Firminger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I add that WSG also has regular meetings in New Zealand and there is an open offer for WSG members to start their own meeting groups in other countries. Being a WSG meeting organiser also makes you a WSG Core member.

I&#039;d be happy to list all the Web Standards conferences in one central place on the WSG site and we can also discuss adding regular meetings like Happy Clog to the meetings page on WSG.

I think the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth WSG groups could each offer up a representative for an international Web Standards beer drinking contest at some stage as too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I add that WSG also has regular meetings in New Zealand and there is an open offer for WSG members to start their own meeting groups in other countries. Being a WSG meeting organiser also makes you a WSG Core member.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to list all the Web Standards conferences in one central place on the WSG site and we can also discuss adding regular meetings like Happy Clog to the meetings page on WSG.</p>
<p>I think the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth WSG groups could each offer up a representative for an international Web Standards beer drinking contest at some stage as too.</p>
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		<title>By: Faruk Ateş</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faruk Ateş</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shall PWN J00!

Or something that kids these days scream and yell, anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shall PWN J00!</p>
<p>Or something that kids these days scream and yell, anyway&#8230;</p>
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<h2>Monday  8 August 2005</h2><h3 class="entryhead" id="post-456"><a href="http://www.molly.com/2005/08/08/its-a-world-wide-web-after-all/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: It&#8217;s a World Wide Web After All">It&#8217;s a World Wide Web After All</a></h3>

<p>Put on your clogs and dance, because Happy Clog wants you to.  Happy <em>Clog</em>, you say?  Isn&#8217;t that <a href="http://happycog.com/">Zeldman&#8217;s design company</a>?  No, no my friends. That would be Happy <em>Cog</em>. </p>
<p>Happy Clog is the pun-ny name coined for a <a href="http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2005/08/07/happy-clog">new standards group</a> emerging in the Netherlands. The goal of the group is not only to unite Dutch standards-based designers and developers, but to provide social outreach to anyone interested in standards &#8211; and more.</p>
<p>Faruk Ates of <a href="http://www.kurafire.net/">KuraFire.net</a> and founder of the group says that Happy Clog has several goals in mind, not the least of which is to create a conference most likely to be held in Amsterdam. While still in the early planning stages, Ates revealed some of the group&#8217;s ideas as to how and why this conference will stand out:</p>
<blockquote><p>&ldquo;We have three target audiences in mind for the conference &#8211; all separate groups but closely related ones: business executives (those who decide), web developers (those who make) and college professors (those who teach).&rdquo;</p>
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<p>The conference would be held in English, with speakers from abroad as well as local to the Netherlands, much like the model first created by the <a href="http://www.we05.com">Web Essentials</a> conference in Syndey, and expanded upon by <a href="http://www.atmedia2005.co.uk/">@media</a> in London. </p>
<p>Ates describes ideas to ensure that there&#8217;s plenty of daytime networking and birds-of-a-feather sessions, something that is often missing from events yet is frequently cited as the most valuable part of a conference experience:</p>
<blockquote><p>&ldquo;One suggestion for that is to have parallel sessions, two at a time so that the third group can mingle and ask questions informally over some coffee and cake.&rdquo;</p>
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<p>Happy Clog&#8217;s current membership features accomplished standards developers and designers including <a href="http://annevankesteren.nl/">Anne Van Kesteren</a>, <a href="http://dutchcelt.nl/">Egor Kloos</a>, <a href="http://novemberborn.net/">Mark Wubben</a>, <a href="http://zooibaai.nl/">Rob Mientjes</a> and WaSP <a href="http://scripting.webstandards.org/">DOM Scripting Task Force&#8217;s</a> own <a href="http://www.quirksmode.org/">Peter-Paul Koch</a>.</p>
<p>Happy Clog is not the first national group to emerge out of standards. The <a href="http://webstandardsgroup.org/">Web Standards Group</a> is doing great work in Australia with outreach to the rest of the world via its interviews, workshops and related resources. In Japan, <a href="http://kidachi.kazuhi.to/">Kazuhito Kidachi</a> has been working tirelessly to promote Web standards and reports that there are hundreds of members signed up to his Web standards community on the <a href="http://mixi.jp/">mixi</a> social networking site.</p>
<p>And of course there&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/general/destinations.html">Brit Pack</a> who not only  promote standards in Great Britain, but invaded the U.S. this year when significant representation came to <a href="http://www.sxsw.com/">SXSW</a> and later extended its reach and inspiration to the world via @media2005.</p>
<p>The emergence of such groups with strong national identities yet a real desire to reach out and interact with other nations is a fascinating and, to my way of thinking, very powerful way of preserving and promoting national identity on a global scale. Transcending the standards issues, initiatives of this kind are truly serving to remind us that it is the <strong>World</strong> Wide Web after all.</p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 11:59</a>		</div>

		<p>It&#8217;s good to hear that something good comes out of the Netherlands. It strikes me as odd that this is happening in a time where we are growing more and more towards european/global community.<br />
Nevertheless I wish them all the possible success.<br />
Will be a tough act to beet the BritPack at beer-drinking.</p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 12:10</a>		</div>

		<p>Thanks Ron.</p>
<p>And on the beer, well, we like a challenge <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 12:31</a>		</div>

		<p>This was about web standards? I thought it was about the beer <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Yes, as you can see we are trying to prevent the meetings from becoming too serious&#8230;)</p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 12:48</a>		</div>

		<p>Is there a site that lists upcoming conferences in one place?</p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 13:19</a>		</div>

		<p>Ahhh&#8230;but it&#8217;s a group underscored by a secret desire to better the Brits in a beer-drinking frenzy (perhaps it&#8217;s main reason after the honourable &#8216;web standards&#8217; tag?!)</p>
<p>Well &#8211; &#8216;The Brit Pack&#8217; are up for the challenge! (Maybe not just talking about the ale-quenching abilities too!)</p>
<p>#Laughs #</p>
<p>This might have sounded better coming from one of the true-&#8217;Britpack&#8217; of course&#8230;but&#8230;)<br />
Great of you to post about this Molly. I was just reading about it over on Kurafire (Hayo and that lens-cap blunder &#8211; it wil l live to haunt him eh?)</p>

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		<p>Beth: not to my knowledge.  I&#8217;ve been asked that before though, but I really don&#8217;t have time myself to do that.  I do try to announce things as I see them.</p>
<p>A resource like that would be fantastic, though, no question.</p>

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			Monday  8 August 2005 at 13:26</a>		</div>

		<p>&#8220;John, Andy&#8230;.Jon, Richard, Jeremy, (other) Andy, Colly? Where are you guys?&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I the only Brit posting here just now or what? &#8230;..(Feeling a bit like an extra for &#8216;Dad&#8217;s Army&#8217; right now!)</p>

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		<p>AND Kevin! (Sorry Kevin &#8211; forgot you on that list!!! *winces*)<br />
Molly: Maybe you could edit this in to my previous post and I&#8217;ll just curl up into a tight ball somewhere? *Laughs*</p>

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		<p>I am, nor ever was, part, or the subject of, any lenscap fiasco whatsoever. </p>
<p>*mumbles something about that Faruk guy*</p>

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		<p>*prods Hayo and points to imaginary &#8216;lens-cap on camera&#8217; and need for removal!*</p>
<p>#Laughs#</p>

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		<p>When the Anglo-Dutch beer challenge materializes, I will for once leave my global/european stance, get patriotic and volunteer for the Orange Corner.</p>

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		<p>At the after-party during @media, I was told I drink like a Brit.  Does that count?  <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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		<p>Molly: Impressive! (We might need to disguise the accent, put you in a wig, and then have you run rings around the dutch css-posse&#8230;.oh the look on their faces would be priceless!!) <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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		<p>Hayo: next time I won&#8217;t tell you that you still got your lenscap on.</p>

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		<p><strong>Ron,</strong></p>
<p>First things first, really. We can&#8217;t spread ourselves too thin and still hope to get as much accomplished.</p>
<p>Our initiative is a pretty solid one, but only because the NL is a pretty small country. We only have a small foothold in the business world in this country; on a European scale, we have virtually no foothold. Any chance of getting a lot off the ground is greatly diminished for that.</p>
<p>Once countries are getting more aware as a whole, <em>then</em> it&#8217;ll be time for us to join forces internationally. Still a long, long ways off, though.</p>

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		<p>Faruk,</p>
<p>You are right. I stand corrected. Let&#8217;s hope that more local initiatives spring up because of this. </p>
<p>My allergy towards national movements is more politically motivated then anything else. <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Tuesday  9 August 2005 at 05:57</a>		</div>

		<p>We don&#8217;t see our little band of webheads as a national group of any kind. The fact that it is a Dutch group has more to do with the practicality of meeting up with each other then anything else. Happy Clog&#8217;s name derives from the one thing we have common, where we live and work. I mean, I&#8217;m half Irish afterall. </p>
<p>Drinking wise I wouldn&#8217;t mind giving the britpack a run for their money. I practise with whisky, Guinness and Belgian trapists, so bring it on <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Tuesday  9 August 2005 at 06:30</a>		</div>

		<p>Egor&#8217;s right. Also, I&#8217;m half Turkish. <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Tuesday  9 August 2005 at 08:13</a>		</div>

		<p>Molly &#8211; </p>
<p>Will your CSS for Designers workshop be moving to the US at somepoint?</p>

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			Tuesday  9 August 2005 at 10:15</a>		</div>

		<p>Beth,</p>
<p>Yes, it will.  We don&#8217;t have dates just yet, but we will be doing workshops in the U.S. and possibly other international locations as well.</p>

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			Tuesday  9 August 2005 at 11:24</a>		</div>

		<p>Fantastic!  I&#8217;ve been searching for conferences and workshops specifically for developers and designers that still work with tables.  I&#8217;m trying to bring my other team members up to date on the wonders of CSS XHTML <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Wednesday  10 August 2005 at 11:11</a>		</div>

		<p>All I can think of is a headline:</p>
<p>Brits clobber clogs in European drinking showdown.</p>

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			Wednesday  10 August 2005 at 13:53</a>		</div>

		<p>U.K. CSS/XHTML VIP&#8217;s K.O. Clogs!  BYOB!</p>

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			Wednesday  10 August 2005 at 17:50</a>		</div>

		<p>#  Keith Burgin Says:<br />
August 10th, 2005 at 1:53 pm</p>
<p>U.K. CSS/XHTML VIP’s K.O. Clogs! BYOB!</p>
<p>There should be a &#8216;do CSS&#8217; before AND after thing&#8230;.(Before beer and then after beer!) *Laughs* Of course the Brit lads will be the last ones standing&#8230;but our CSS skills might be really screwed-up by that point!! <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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			Friday  12 August 2005 at 16:16</a>		</div>

		<p>We shall PWN J00!</p>
<p>Or something that kids these days scream and yell, anyway&#8230;</p>

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			Friday  12 August 2005 at 18:38</a>		</div>

		<p>Can I add that WSG also has regular meetings in New Zealand and there is an open offer for WSG members to start their own meeting groups in other countries. Being a WSG meeting organiser also makes you a WSG Core member.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy to list all the Web Standards conferences in one central place on the WSG site and we can also discuss adding regular meetings like Happy Clog to the meetings page on WSG.</p>
<p>I think the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth WSG groups could each offer up a representative for an international Web Standards beer drinking contest at some stage as too.</p>

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			Wednesday  16 November 2005 at 06:36</a>		</div>

		<p>heallo, i have a music site, can i place a link to your website from mine?</p>

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			Monday  12 December 2005 at 05:41</a>		</div>

		<p>Thinking of starting a group or sub group if one already exsists here in America for web standards group members like me.This is no doubt a great idea they thought up!</p>

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			Wednesday  28 December 2005 at 08:03</a>		</div>

		<p>Our initiative is a pretty solid one, but only because the NL is a pretty small country. We only have a small foothold in the business world in this country; on a European scale, we have virtually no foothold. Any chance of getting a lot off the ground is greatly diminished for that.</p>

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			Sunday  8 January 2006 at 04:38</a>		</div>

		<p>&#8220;It’s good to hear that something good comes out of the Netherlands.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats a bit harsh, lets not forget that the Dutch gave the world&#8230;&#8230; er&#8230;&#8230; clogs.</p>
<p>Any more news on the new standards group Molly?</p>

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			Monday  23 January 2006 at 00:58</a>		</div>

		<p>There should be a ‘do CSS’ before AND after thing….(Before beer and then after beer!) *Laughs* Of course the Brit lads will be the last ones standing…but our CSS skills might be really screwed-up by that point!!</p>

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			Saturday  29 July 2006 at 14:51</a>		</div>

		<p>Any more css conferences coming up in Sydney?</p>

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		<p>thanks</p>

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		<p>thanks</p>

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