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		<title>By: Alena</title>
		<link>http://www.molly.com/2005/07/07/accessibility-discussions-article-and-commentary-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-557524</link>
		<dc:creator>Alena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good work!</description>
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		<title>By: psp udstyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>psp udstyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog,..</description>
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		<title>By: nuances</title>
		<link>http://www.molly.com/2005/07/07/accessibility-discussions-article-and-commentary-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-11156</link>
		<dc:creator>nuances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;WaSP ATF&lt;/strong&gt;

the Web Standards Project has formed an Accessibility Task Force. much needed. Molly&#039;s got a good list of readings on the matter for anyone who wants to catch up. Roger Johansson lists reasons for tension between web accessibility and web...</description>
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<p>the Web Standards Project has formed an Accessibility Task Force. much needed. Molly&#8217;s got a good list of readings on the matter for anyone who wants to catch up. Roger Johansson lists reasons for tension between web accessibility and web&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KLewis</title>
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		<description>Having read the suggestions above (although a little quickly) I didn’t notice anyone mentioning the ATF targeting their activity towards those who commission websites.  Educating the developers, CMS vendors etc is one thing but there’s a certain level of influence that could surely come form those buying their services?

Such people don’t need to learn anything ‘technical’. I’m imagining clients grinning smugly as they add a few words of newly acquired ‘jargon’ on to the end of their request: “oh, and it has to be standards compliant and accessible”. (Don’t clients just love jargon?)

Of course a little knowledge is often dangerous and there are many flaws in this idea but with the ATF offering the right back-up it may well work in some instances.

Cheers
Kevin
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read the suggestions above (although a little quickly) I didn’t notice anyone mentioning the ATF targeting their activity towards those who commission websites.  Educating the developers, CMS vendors etc is one thing but there’s a certain level of influence that could surely come form those buying their services?</p>
<p>Such people don’t need to learn anything ‘technical’. I’m imagining clients grinning smugly as they add a few words of newly acquired ‘jargon’ on to the end of their request: “oh, and it has to be standards compliant and accessible”. (Don’t clients just love jargon?)</p>
<p>Of course a little knowledge is often dangerous and there are many flaws in this idea but with the ATF offering the right back-up it may well work in some instances.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ferirck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ferirck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great resource! Got me up to speed on what exactly the ATF is.

Posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solargarlic.com/archives/2005/07/molly_at_mollyc.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;longer, semi-related comments here.&lt;/a&gt; [tried to ping. whoops!] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great resource! Got me up to speed on what exactly the ATF is.</p>
<p>Posted <a href="http://www.solargarlic.com/archives/2005/07/molly_at_mollyc.html" rel="nofollow">longer, semi-related comments here.</a> [tried to ping. whoops!]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATF and now...MS WTF!

:)

WaSP are really doing a great service to the web, people associated with it - and everyone who uses it. I&#039;ve read all the articles above (prior to your posting here though) and can&#039;t think of any other links just now that could be added. London wins the Olympic bid for 2012, and then gets bombed by terrorists today...so forgive me if my focus is a bit distracted. On topic though: I have great hopes for the ATF team, and if I can do anything to help...then...I really will do all I can! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATF and now&#8230;MS WTF!</p>
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<p>WaSP are really doing a great service to the web, people associated with it &#8211; and everyone who uses it. I&#8217;ve read all the articles above (prior to your posting here though) and can&#8217;t think of any other links just now that could be added. London wins the Olympic bid for 2012, and then gets bombed by terrorists today&#8230;so forgive me if my focus is a bit distracted. On topic though: I have great hopes for the ATF team, and if I can do anything to help&#8230;then&#8230;I really will do all I can! <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<h2>Thursday  7 July 2005</h2><h3 class="entryhead" id="post-429"><a href="http://www.molly.com/2005/07/07/accessibility-discussions-article-and-commentary-roundup/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Accessibility Discussions: Article and Commentary Roundup">Accessibility Discussions: Article and Commentary Roundup</a></h3>

<p>Ever since we announced the WaSP Accessibility Task Force, quickly given<br />
the sticky nicky &ldquo;ATF&rdquo; the recommendations, requests and even a<br />
few ragings have been storm-trooping &#8216;cross the Web.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a round-up of reading associated with ATF activities.</p>
<h3>Requests and recommendations</h3>
<p>The following articles focus on requests from the ATF, recommendations,<br />
and general thoughts with opinions liberally sprinkled throughout (shocked,<br />
I know you are).</p>
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<li>From Matt May (now an ATF member): <a href="http://www.bestkungfu.com/archive/date/2005/07/how-to-save-the-world-p<br />
art-1/">How to save the world, part 1</a></li>
<li>From Roger Johansson at 456 Berea Street: <a href="http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200506/todo_list_for_the_wasp_at<br />
f/">To-do list for the WaSP ATF</a></li>
<li>From Eric Meyer: <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/06/27/dont-read-speak/">Don&#8217;t<br />
Read, Speak!</a></li>
<li>From Joe Clark: <a href="http://blog.fawny.org/2005/06/25/atf/">ATF: Not<br />
&#8216;Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms&#8217;</a></li>
<li>From Andy Clarke (ATF member): <a href="http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/web_standards_project_wasp_<br />
accessibility_task_force.html">WaSP Accessibility TF</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Opinion and editorial pieces</h3>
<p>These are opinion and editorial-centric articles related to ATF:</p>
<ul>
<li>From Andy Clarke (ATF member): <a href="http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/accessibility_and_a_society<br />
_of_control.html">Accessibility and a society of control</a></li>
<li>From Andy Budd: <a href="http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2005/06/accessibility_and_the_law/">Accessibility and the Law</a></li>
<li>From Chris Kaminski (WaSP member): <a href="http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_06.html#a000531">Accessibility, Validity, Guidelines and Law</a></li>
<li>From Gez Lemon (ATF member): <a href="http://juicystudio.com/article/validity-accessibility.php">Validity<br />
and Accessibility</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Please be sure to take some time to read through the comments on many of<br />
these posts as there are some excellent thoughts, opinions and related links<br />
within them.  If I&#8217;ve left something out that should go onto this list, please<br />
leave a comment for me and I&#8217;ll add it.</p>

<p class="blogpostbit"><strong>Filed under</strong>: &nbsp; <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/standards/wasp/" title="View all posts in WaSP" rel="category tag">WaSP</a>, <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/society/" title="View all posts in society" rel="category tag">society</a>, <a href="http://www.molly.com/category/standards/" title="View all posts in standards" rel="category tag">standards</a><br />
<strong>Posted by</strong>: &nbsp; Molly | 04:05 |  <a href="http://www.molly.com/2005/07/07/accessibility-discussions-article-and-commentary-roundup/#comments" title="Comment on Accessibility Discussions: Article and Commentary Roundup">Comments (11)</a></p>
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			Thursday  7 July 2005 at 13:45</a>		</div>

		<p>ATF and now&#8230;MS WTF!</p>
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<p>WaSP are really doing a great service to the web, people associated with it &#8211; and everyone who uses it. I&#8217;ve read all the articles above (prior to your posting here though) and can&#8217;t think of any other links just now that could be added. London wins the Olympic bid for 2012, and then gets bombed by terrorists today&#8230;so forgive me if my focus is a bit distracted. On topic though: I have great hopes for the ATF team, and if I can do anything to help&#8230;then&#8230;I really will do all I can! <img src='http://www.molly.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

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		<p>Great resource! Got me up to speed on what exactly the ATF is.</p>
<p>Posted <a href="http://www.solargarlic.com/archives/2005/07/molly_at_mollyc.html" rel="nofollow">longer, semi-related comments here.</a> [tried to ping. whoops!]</p>

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			Monday  11 July 2005 at 05:30</a>		</div>

		<p>Having read the suggestions above (although a little quickly) I didn’t notice anyone mentioning the ATF targeting their activity towards those who commission websites.  Educating the developers, CMS vendors etc is one thing but there’s a certain level of influence that could surely come form those buying their services?</p>
<p>Such people don’t need to learn anything ‘technical’. I’m imagining clients grinning smugly as they add a few words of newly acquired ‘jargon’ on to the end of their request: “oh, and it has to be standards compliant and accessible”. (Don’t clients just love jargon?)</p>
<p>Of course a little knowledge is often dangerous and there are many flaws in this idea but with the ATF offering the right back-up it may well work in some instances.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Kevin</p>

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				<cite class="fn"><a href='http://www.subtil.se/nuances/archives/2005/07/wasp_atf.html' rel='external nofollow' class='url'>nuances</a></cite> <span class="says">says:</span>		</div>

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			Friday  15 July 2005 at 11:39</a>		</div>

		<p><strong>WaSP ATF</strong></p>
<p>the Web Standards Project has formed an Accessibility Task Force. much needed. Molly&#8217;s got a good list of readings on the matter for anyone who wants to catch up. Roger Johansson lists reasons for tension between web accessibility and web&#8230;</p>

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			Sunday  1 July 2007 at 10:07</a>		</div>

		<p>Nice blog,..</p>

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		<p>Good work!</p>

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