Comments on: WaSP to Collaborate with Microsoft to Promote Web Standards http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/ the personal and professional weblog of molly e. holzschlag Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:11:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0-alpha By: gggg http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-2/#comment-2445013 gggg Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:50:16 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-2445013 This is the latest and hottest ghd styler ever. If you need a <a href="http://www.cheapghdmk4.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">ghd hair straighteners</a>, this is a must buyghd hair straighteners,cheap ghd hair straighteners,pink ghd hair straighteners<a href="http://www.cheapghdmk4.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">ghd straighteners</a>Comme vous pouvez le voir, il s'agit d'une paire de chaussures shox classique<a href="http://www.cheapghdmk4.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">pink ghd hair straighteners</a> . Si vous souhaitez poursuivre la mode, nike shox NZ sont votre meilleu…<a href="http://www.nike-max-tn.com" rel="nofollow">nike tn</a>Cette paire de Nike Shox Torch est chaud en maintenant la demande.<a href="http://www.nike-max-tn.com" rel="nofollow">nike chaussures</a><a href="http://www.nike-max-tn.com" rel="nofollow">tn chaussures</a> This is the latest and hottest ghd styler ever. If you need a ghd hair straighteners, this is a must buyghd hair straighteners,cheap ghd hair straighteners,pink ghd hair straightenersghd straightenersComme vous pouvez le voir, il s’agit d’une paire de chaussures shox classiquepink ghd hair straighteners . Si vous souhaitez poursuivre la mode, nike shox NZ sont votre meilleu…nike tnCette paire de Nike Shox Torch est chaud en maintenant la demande.nike chaussurestn chaussures

]]> By: 8web Internet Solutions » Blog Archive » Free tips for promoting your web site on the Internet. http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-194972 8web Internet Solutions » Blog Archive » Free tips for promoting your web site on the Internet. Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:10:07 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-194972 [...] molly.com WaSP to Collaborate with Microsoft to Promote Web molly.com. Q : What’s this web site? A : I’m Molly E. Holzschlag, and this web site shares my web development work and personal thoughts . Think of it as a personality site. [...] [...] molly.com WaSP to Collaborate with Microsoft to Promote Web molly.com. Q : What’s this web site? A : I’m Molly E. Holzschlag, and this web site shares my web development work and personal thoughts . Think of it as a personality site. [...]

]]> By: Sanji http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-19124 Sanji Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:46:41 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-19124 So, to be fair, it should probably be noted that there are a LOT of people inside Microsoft here (I am one of them) that have been championing standards for some time now. While I think it’s great that Microsoft is finally recognizing that working with orgs like WaSP, our work on getting standards adopted inside the company goes back much further than this announcement. In many ways, this announcement is a confirmation of all the cajoling, influencing, and advocacy that have gone on inside the company for years now. So, to be fair, it should probably be noted that there are a LOT of people inside Microsoft here (I am one of them) that have been championing standards for some time now. While I think it’s great that Microsoft is finally recognizing that working with orgs like WaSP, our work on getting standards adopted inside the company goes back much further than this announcement. In many ways, this announcement is a confirmation of all the cajoling, influencing, and advocacy that have gone on inside the company for years now.

]]> By: Jane Jolin http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-12791 Jane Jolin Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:28:50 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-12791 I'm very excited about IE7 new CSS improvements as I just finished a design theme for csszengarden.com You can have a look at http://www.celebrityblog.net/zengarden/zengarden-sample.htm I’m very excited about IE7 new CSS improvements as I just finished a design theme for csszengarden.com
You can have a look at http://www.celebrityblog.net/zengarden/zengarden-sample.htm

]]> By: Tom Raftery’s I.T. views » Blog Archive » Start.com updated, I believe http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-12209 Tom Raftery’s I.T. views » Blog Archive » Start.com updated, I believe Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:16:38 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-12209 [...] ite, after all - the company that invented proprietary standards! On the one hand we have Molly telling us Microsoft are embracing Web Standar [...] [...] ite, after all – the company that invented proprietary standards! On the one hand we have Molly telling us Microsoft are embracing Web Standar [...]

]]> By: Jaqui http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-11113 Jaqui Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:58:03 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-11113 as long as in the process microsoft has it pounded through thier thick skulls that html is a dead standard, and has been ince january 2000, when the w3c released the xml / xhtml standard for website design. since microsoft's frontpage is the worst offender at non standards compliant code ( even when html was the standard ) and thier browser is the worst at rendering standards compliant code. they are the one's who have to wrap thier heads around the standards the most. as long as in the process microsoft has it pounded through thier thick skulls that html is a dead standard, and has been ince january 2000, when the w3c released the xml / xhtml standard for website design.

since microsoft’s frontpage is the worst offender at non standards compliant code ( even when html was the standard ) and thier browser is the worst at rendering standards compliant code. they are the one’s who have to wrap thier heads around the standards the most.

]]> By: Gérard Talbot http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-11112 Gérard Talbot Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:18:21 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-11112 I am still very much skeptical of Microsoft's real intentions here. Microsoft did not do a single thing to improve W3C web standards compliance in their MSIE 6 product since March 2001. Microsoft said many years ago: "Microsoft is committed to working with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) to implement W3C-approved HTML standards, and has confirmed its pledge to work through W3C and other standards bodies on enhancements to HTML and other key Web technologies." http://www.microsoft.com/standards/intro.asp but then they removed that file from their website many years ago. Just 3 weeks ago, Markus Mielke "Using rounded corners with IE today" https://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/06/23/431980.aspx wrote: "we have no plans to do native rounded corner support in IE7 (CSS3 feature)" What he's proposing instead? We should learn how to position images of round corners. That's the Microsoft way of dealing with web standards issues. MSDN is probably the best overwhelming proof that they never really cared about web standards. You will not find a single webpage that is strict DTD and that passed W3C markup validation. And these webpages have lots of articles about web design, coding practices, lots of documentation webpages with examples and all of them would fail a markup validation test, etc.. In other words, Microsoft - does not have a CSS 2.1 compliant browser and it had all the time and resources possible to do so - does not have a documentation compliant with web standards, does not have resources site promoting web standards practices, sane, sound coding practices. Microsoft can not preach what Microsoft does not do for itself to begin with. Microsoft had years and all the resources available to do all that. After years of waiting, MS-Front Page still can not output valid markup code, does not have a real markup validator built-in, does not have a real CSS validator, etc... MS-Front Page still does not provide all the tools and documentation to their users to write, to edit and to create valid markup code to begin with. If Microsoft really wanted to start solving the huge mass of invalid webpages on the web, then it had to start by creating a real useful HTML editor doing just that. MS-Front Page has been the problem of web standards compliance. After years of waiting CSS 1 bugs and CSS2.1 bugs and support, they are still very far from convincing me that they will do all the necessary efforts needed and justified to reverse this situation. Gérard I am still very much skeptical of Microsoft’s real intentions here.

Microsoft did not do a single thing to improve W3C web standards compliance in their MSIE 6 product since March 2001.
Microsoft said many years ago:

“Microsoft is committed to working with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) to implement W3C-approved HTML standards, and has confirmed its pledge to work through W3C and other standards bodies on enhancements to HTML and other key Web technologies.”
http://www.microsoft.com/standards/intro.asp

but then they removed that file from their website many years ago.

Just 3 weeks ago, Markus Mielke
“Using rounded corners with IE today”
https://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/06/23/431980.aspx
wrote:

“we have no plans to do native rounded corner support in IE7 (CSS3 feature)”

What he’s proposing instead? We should learn how to position images of round corners. That’s the Microsoft way of dealing with web standards issues.

MSDN is probably the best overwhelming proof that they never really cared about web standards. You will not find a single webpage that is strict DTD and that passed W3C markup validation. And these webpages have lots of articles about web design, coding practices, lots of documentation webpages with examples and all of them would fail a markup validation test, etc..

In other words, Microsoft
- does not have a CSS 2.1 compliant browser and it had all the time and resources possible to do so
- does not have a documentation compliant with web standards, does not have resources site promoting web standards practices, sane, sound coding practices. Microsoft can not preach what Microsoft does not do for itself to begin with.
Microsoft had years and all the resources available to do all that.

After years of waiting, MS-Front Page still can not output valid markup code, does not have a real markup validator built-in, does not have a real CSS validator, etc… MS-Front Page still does not provide all the tools and documentation to their users to write, to edit and to create valid markup code to begin with. If Microsoft really wanted to start solving the huge mass of invalid webpages on the web, then it had to start by creating a real useful HTML editor doing just that. MS-Front Page has been the problem of web standards compliance.

After years of waiting CSS 1 bugs and CSS2.1 bugs and support, they are still very far from convincing me that they will do all the necessary efforts needed and justified to reverse this situation.

Gérard

]]> By: molly.com » Agenda Microsoft: Is it a Sellout When the Prostitute’s Paying? http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-11079 molly.com » Agenda Microsoft: Is it a Sellout When the Prostitute’s Paying? Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:33:17 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-11079 [...] rosoft Task Force, response has been fast, smart and somewhat scary. There’s plenty happiness about our alliance, but critics h [...] [...] rosoft Task Force, response has been fast, smart and somewhat scary. There’s plenty happiness about our alliance, but critics h [...]

]]> By: Rob Belics http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-11067 Rob Belics Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:55:58 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-11067 You got owned! Why don't we say MS just bought WASP? Wasp is now going to start pushing MS products? Where will impartiality and objectivity go? Can't MS figure out the standards on their own? Aren't they a member of W3C? Is Wasp just an MS front now? I am very suspicious of all this. You got owned! Why don’t we say MS just bought WASP? Wasp is now going to start pushing MS products? Where will impartiality and objectivity go? Can’t MS figure out the standards on their own? Aren’t they a member of W3C? Is Wasp just an MS front now? I am very suspicious of all this.

]]> By: Web Standards, Microsoft and You http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/comment-page-1/#comment-11054 Web Standards, Microsoft and You Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:47 +0000 http://www.molly.com/2005/07/05/wasp-to-collaborate-with-microsoft-to-promote-web-standards/#comment-11054 [...] t. And now it’s official. The press release has all the details. And Molly captures the spirit of this collaboration very well. I’ [...] [...] t. And now it’s official.
The press release has all the details. And Molly captures the spirit of this collaboration very well. I’ [...]

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WaSP to Collaborate with Microsoft to Promote Web Standards

The Web Standards Project (WaSP) is collaborating with Microsoft to promote Web standards and help developers build standards conformant Web applications.

Today we formally announce the WaSP / Microsoft Corporation Task Force. WaSP’s goal is to provide technical guidance and advice as the company increases Web standards support in its products including Microsoft Visual Studio and ASP.NET.

“Standards are of increasing importance as Web developers strive to make their sites work across all browsers and accessible by the broadest set of customers,”
– Brian Goldfarb, product manager for Web Platform and Tools at Microsoft.

WaSP and Microsoft developers will work together to better understand and execute on Web standards as defined by standards bodies such as the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C).

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